making your film is only half the story ...

[miker]

... you then need to make it accessable to an audience.

personally I prefer venue screenings rather than throwing your film into one of the internet content provider chasms that only seem to exist for self(their) promotion --but I guess that's an entirely different issue

I wonder what your views on this subject are?

Maybe my view will change once the UK is properly broadbanded up, but then I'll be running my own internet TV station so I still won't be submitting my work elsewhere on the internet.

Plus, I think film-watching is more enjoyable in a group.

What does all this have to do with filmmaking?

Well, much as I like making films for myself, what drives me is the hope that my work will 'click' with an audience, maybe altering their world view.

Anyway, enough rambling, what do you think? How do you intend to distribute your work?



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[Mods]

A lot of people believe watching a DVD on your PC is pants compared to a cinema.

Cinema's have their own ambience. Not even my lounge with its light that dims (like an audotorium) holds the effect of a real cinema.

I'd much prefer to screen my films in a cinema or something similar, but I just can't afford it.

Looking at it from the industry point of view, film's aren't designed to be played streaming over the internet ... but some people will do it.

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[RoyBaty2002]

I think that net streaming and cinema released films will become more and more separate as the years go by. I am broadband, but the quality of the stuff available is frankly pants. I dont even put it in the same catagory as a movie shown in the cinema. But the use of the internet for up and comings will become more and more improtant.

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[redlum]

The internet will ruin everything soon, and fast connections are just making it worse.
Idiots who have no respect for films and music can just download the latest releases and watch them on their pc. Cinemas will lose money then close down. And it will all come back to the film makers who will either have to make more shit action blockbusters or forget it. Just because some geek thought it would be cool to rip off some movies and sell them over the internet.
As for watching the films legally over the net, what is the fucking point. Even for new filmmakers - what important people would see your film if it was on the internet? I know if I had better things to do I wouldn't spend so much time on the internet writing crap messages like this.
And then you get dicks who say - 'well its abut getting your message across to people'. Ok, what the fuck are you doing distributing your movie on the internet if its about getting the message accross - everyone on the internet is a fucking nobody. These are usually the same people who hate Hollywood, and I may be wrong but hollywood haters usually are just bitter because the fact is the movie makers in the world produce great work out of there at some point in their career.

Technology isnt taking us forward, its just taking us sideways. The only progression that will come will be from going backwards.
Nobody uses the phone anymore, they just text people or send the emails. Its shit.

Movies on the internet is a fucking sin, illegal/legal - it should not happen. But I can tell you who will be the first to distribute over the internet - George Lucas. Like he's the first person to use digital projection - that is just fucked. Better quality sound, better quality image, it just all adds to a totally sick focus on bullshit technology and money. I dont care if a directors from hollywood, mexico, or birmingham - aslong as they care 100% about the film and not what will be 'neat' or 'cool'. Best example of a shallow shit film that means nothing to absolutely noone is Gone in sixty seconds.

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[RoyBaty2002]

Redlum seems to be a technophobe. If technology is such a sin, why are you using it now? The point I was making was that cinema and net streaming will become separate things. There is no use making something if no one sees it, and the internet provides that oppertunity. So what if people abuse the facsilities, someone always will, and throwing up your hands and saying its a sin is no arguement. Use it or dont. The choice is yours. Same as everone else.

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[miker]

i don't think cinema will ever disappear, much like theatre is still thriving.

plus, didn't we hear ALL the SAME OLD arguments when VHS began invading people's homes.

plus, didn't we hear ALL the SAME OLD arguments when cassettes began inading people's homes. Well, no, I for one wasn't alive then, but I can imagine.

BTW when I say venue screening, I mean as much the community centre with the video projector and the speaker with the torn cone, the facilities house with the plasma screen and THX certified sound system as well as your local Odeon.

Personally i think the internet is the best thing to have happened in my lifetime. It is not regulated like the airwaves (not yet anyway) it is not taxed like paying the BBC fee, hell you can even hunt around for 0800 access too! This is great if you value choice, not so great if you miss the nanny state dictating your democracy.

delusional film makers will keep churning out shit, whether it be for the internet or VHS or super8 or DV or 35mm or 70mm. one man's shit is viewed by others as stool.

so what if Lucas is the first to stream an internet movie (he's not, i'm sure), but he does use the internet for production meetings, but then so does Chance and 5YLAC et al. So could you. Hell, you could even make a movie if you wanted to. ILM are the first to admit that what they do, YOU could do on a home PC given enough time.

That is what is happening: this 'digital epiphany' is levelling the playing grounds and those without talent are afraid to be exposed for what they are. The ultimate losers may be the shareholders, but the winners will be the entire civilisation. Can that really be bad?

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[ac_01]

I agree that the internet and cinema are two totally separate phenomenom. The internet is a great way to get an audience for low budget stuff but once you get into the big leagues the cinema is the only ticket. It will take a very long time for anything to beat the ambience of the cinema: the ticket stubs, the smell of stale popcorn - sweet, the pimply faced usher, the seats with the two inches of legroom... but as soon as the projecter starts rollin' all is forgotten.

as for redlum... definite technophobe, i can see sitting at a desk illuminated by a single light bulb writing angry letters to the government...

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[Davis]

Redlum, come on man. That's like the music industry saying Napster was going to bring it to it's knees, even though the span of time Napster was up CD SALES WERE UP.

People will always go to the theatres, because they're fun. My best friend has almost every new release in the past three years burned off CDs, the movies he got from the web, and we still go to the cinema, because that quality is nowhere near as good, and when it gets as good, it'll still feel like just renting the movie, not seeing it 50 feet high with surround sound. You come off sounding like a pathetic dweeb. Did a computer scare you when you were a baby or something? What the hell. "No one calls anyone any more, they just write e-mails." Well, when they invented the phone, people like you were saying "No one writes letters any more, they just use that stupid phone." You people will always have SOMETHING new to bitch about. Fortunately, no one wants to listen.

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[redlum]

I've been using a computer since I was a baby actually and I've come to the conclusion that I hate them.

Hey, I got Moulin Rouge and LOTR on dodgy VCD but I went to see them three times. I edit films on pc, I do digital effects animations on the pc, I compose music on the pc. So don't just pass me off as some technophobe, I know what I'm fucking talking about ok.

I dont care about sales ok, my point is more that people are losing their integrity (myself included) and nothing is sacred anymore. CD sales were up in this country weren't they - I dont think they were up in america due to them having better connections; I might be wrong though.


To make this slightly more releavent - have you seen Boogie Nights or Almost Famous?
Boogie Nights looks at the video tape taking over film in the porno film industry and Almost Famous comments on how when the cassette tape turned up people just copied the latest bands albums for friends etc. It might just be a conincidence (or a matter of opinion) but isn't that around the time that music got shitty? I mean look at the fucking charts right now - half the people in the top ten have never even touched a key on a piano but they're making shit loads of money for their 'music'. Music lost it's integrity after the 60's 70's, Cameron Crowe is fucking right! Of course there are exception's to the rules as always but, it has lost it.
Let's face it, even today, if the public weren't as stupid as they are/commercially influenced, alot more poeple would be ripping CD's off using MP3. Fact is, MP3 coders aren't packaged up like tape players or CD's, you cant buy them at Dixons, they aren't put on during an advert for coronation street - so people don't know about them.

With regards to 'no one calls anyone anymore' - you're fucking right. That was stupid of me - thats just me - I dont use the phone anymore, I message someone on the internet, and I have to stop it.

Seriously, I just wanted to discuss this thing, for some strange reason (maybe bvecause I've been thinking about it recently) - differently to the usual "oh well the sound quality isn't very good" and "my modem is bigger than yours".

Anyone agree with me?



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[miker]

i kinda see where redlum is coming from, i doubt he's a complete luddite.

remember, cassettes have a tax on them that goes into the music industries coffers.

and, if i'm honest, i do seem to remember there being stories of slumps of ppl going to the cinema during the 80s when VCRs were new. this basically forced out a lot of independants and gave more power to the muntinational multiplexes.

certainly the thing that worries most businesses about digital is that it's possible to make an EXACT COPY -- but, conversly, employing digital technique saves money, allowing a better return on shares.

but I still don't think that it warrants outlawing computers and forcing them to be licensed to play media, or controlled in that fashion etc..

my opinion is that an average person copies stuff. I do it. You do it. Your neighbour does it. we all know that technically it is wrong. BUT, if it's good you either don't copy it in the first place and go buy it because the product is actually GOOD ENOUGH for your emotional attachment and warranats your cash, or, the product is so good that you feel guilty for having a pirate copy so go and buy it proper.

or maybe that's just me ;-)

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