books

[palmerlouie]

Can anyone advise me on what books to get. I heard one person, i think it was derek, say to someone else...."if you can complete that book then....." and i thought, man ive never actually sat down and worked thru a book properly!

however when i browse thru the music stores i see nothing but beginner books or books on technique. my technique is fine and of course always improving due to the routine i follow, but id like to find some books containing advanced studies. there don't seem to be any books that can tell you licks. like when u see dave or vinnie etc do something......combination sticking between toms and bass drums to create cool patterns......wheres all that stuff? or what does it come from?

I have just started horacio hernandez' book and its cool for independence......i was also told to check out gary chesters book but all i see is pages and pages of one line notes.....n0.1 what are u supposed to do (just keep hi hat going on 4????) and n0.2 what if u cant read some of the combinations. and how do they go from 1 bar excersises into music!

i often go thru the music examples in modern drummer etc....but they are so easy and i can already do them. i want advancved concepts!!

any advice??

[longbeach]

KIM PLAINFIELD - advanced techniques , a kick ass book w/ 2 cds
GAry Chaffee vids and books

[Derek DeFields]

I agree with Thick's suggestions.

I would also recommend the book "Rick's Licks" by Rick Gratton. That sounds like what you're looking for to some degree. There are some clips on his website so you could check it out for yourself.

http://www.rickgratton.com

[FuseU1]

OH YEAH - thick & derek NAILED a couple om THAT 1!!!

4 more [representations] of 2 of those guys [playing]:

Kim Plainfield - Bill Connors' "Double Up" & "Assembler" discs...&...

Rick Gratton - "Paul DeLong & (RG) Live at the Percussion Institute of Technology" (PIT/MI) vid!!!! RG's a bit of a "cornball" in this vid, as he's havin' fun w it, but he DEF KIX A**!!

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 29, 2003 04:12 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

[PocketPlayer]

Stone's Stick Control is the classic. Here's my take on this idea of books...

Find and build yourself around the "great drum books" but limit yourself to only a few. Before thinking, "I got this book down...burp...now another", ask yourself, "How do I measure whether I have this book down?"
Take Stone's Stick Control; you could work in that book for a lifetime if you really take the exercises and vary them. Take the "concepts" and make them your own, ala Gadd's 50 Ways.
Practice them at different tempos and create your own patterns. Get the learning from head-to-heart.
If you have a really good book(s), it should be a guiding foundation to your creativity. Just practicing the exercises with hand-foot combinations will make your head spin.
Today, there is a proliferation of learning materials like never before. Look at the curriculum of what is taught at PIT, Berklee, and other academies. Where do you want to go? Have you narrowed it down yet? Set realistic goals and realistic evaluation?
What the guy did here in HOD is the way to go. It took a lot of you know what to post a sample of his playing in this forum, especially after saying he could blow like Vinnie for hours. WOW! But, youthful zeal...I love it! Look at the feedback he got. That's where it's at...feedback from guys who know what is good.

It all really comes down to how we measure ourselves doesn't it as to whether we "have it down" or not. If you want to be a local hero playing classic rock tunes each Fri-Sun night in the local Holiday Inn bar, well, cool! If you want to play with a major act, record, and tour...well, cool! How you go about achieveing those ends will determine how you plan your routine and the vision that drive you. IMO.

[FuseU1]

Nice post, Pocket.

Books that 1 might want to start off w/ [not u, LP [img]wink.gif[/img] ]:

Jim Chapin's "Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer"
Ted Reed's "Synchopation"
Geo. Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control"
Garwood Whaley, "Fundamental Studies for Snare Drum"
Peter Erskine - "Master Classes - Drum Concepts & Techniques"
Joe Morello - "Master Studies"

more advanced:

LP... GARY CHESTER's "NEW BREED" is a pleasant little mama-frocker [& i think there might even be a "NB #2"]..., as is Marco Minnemann's Extreme Interdependence [w/ consultation from Virgil & RGratton - geez]...
Also, Weckl's more advanced systems books - but i'll betchoo awreddy HAVE those, dontcha; & if'n ya DON't, well...u deserve a good beatin' w/ a pair a' "multi-rods!" [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 28, 2003 03:41 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

[palmerlouie]

lol.....no u guessed it i have all the weckl stuff!!! its a shame hes never put out a proper book rather than play-along stuff,....and virgil for that matter although he said that he is working on some books.

thanks for the suggestions guys.....i'll go buy what i can!

[PocketPlayer]

One last thing...pop in Physical Graffiti and play along to Kashmir for a little grounding on planet groove, time, balance, motion, and feel after some of that extreme interdependance synergistic multi-tasking polyrhythmic subdivided...I just might be going insane VOl 3 kinda book [img]eek.gif[/img]

That was for you FUSE man!

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 28, 2003 09:25 PM: Message edited by: PocketPlayer ]</font>

[XNavyDrummer]

Great info on the books! I need to pick some of that stuff up.

One word regarding books...don't play 'em the way they look. Make the contents come alive by playing the exercises musically. Specifically throw in the (gasp!) unwritten accent and cresendos and decresendos.

When I started studying with Dave, I was really surprised that there were no books, no notes nothing on paper. Everything was just being generated from his mind. He actually made me see after a ba-zillion years of playing that much of what I was doing was pretty clinical sounding (like I was playing exercises from a book!).

He made me focus on making whatever I was playing sound musical...all these years I thought I was playing musically but compared to the master...it was pretty stale.....

....still learning after all these years...

[Nikk]

fuse,

excellent book choices. Might I add David Garibaldi's "Future Sounds."