doctor's responsibility?!?!?

[SHATOUSHKA]

ok... this may be a long post... but fuck it,
its something i've been debating and i wanna
post it....

there is no law that designates emergency
medical care to certain individuals in
america. this means that anyone... and i mean
ANYONE can recieve emergency medical care
in america regardless of citizenship or
ability to pay.

(thats for background -- you'll see why)

now... with that said, if you do not have
insurance and/or a primary physician, the
hospital staffed doctors have the option
to 'take responsibility' for you and your
injury.... basically deciding if they want
to fix you... regardless of some pathetic
'noble' health ethic.

(this is still building up...)

the reason the doctor decides this shit is
because of the 'responsibility' of your life..
which i think is just some colorful 'nice'
way to say they don't want you to fucking
sue them for malpractice because you are
that desperate and have no choice or something
odd.

anyways....

so i'm thinking about this.... and then the
thought enters my mind....

"what about acts of great chaos???"

war is a good example... but there are
others... like some major medical disaster,
like the fucking plague or a huge tragedy
like that. (its important to distinguish
between fatalities and injured... because
fatalities aren't really that big of a deal
to take care of)

now... i'm thinking to myself.... "so there
is this big plague or some shit... and the
ERs all over the states are filling up with
hundreds of injured people....

would the hospital still care about the
paperwork? would they still care about whether
or not the patient has a fucking primary
care physician??

no.....

you know why?

because in times of great crisis... the
noble is born...

so whats the great rift???


is there a difference between non-tragedy
injured and national tragedy injured?
aren't the injured... always just the injured
regardless of some hypothetical national
crisis??

if this is true..... where are the nobles?

[KingBean]

The more wide-spread it is, then the more they're gonna be in the public eye... there's no real difference between the actual person... but the outside interpretation may be.

[SHATOUSHKA]

so what you are saying....

originally, doctors are only out to protect their
asses... but in times of national crisis, they
are out to get big credit??


hmmmm....

in short, its always about publicity *scratches chin*

[KingBean]

Well, yes and no.

I mean... they are always going to be doing their thing for the sake of helping people. But they have to stick by the legals so they don't get fucked over (intentionally or not). But if it were a 'national crisis'... well, if doctors started refusing to admit patients or if paperwork was dramtically slowing down their work... then there'd be a public backlash about "evil paperwork" and how doctors should be helping out everyone, blah blah blah.

[SHATOUSHKA]

this goes back to nobility.... which is the area
i'm curious about. no doubt that in times of
national crisis, heroes would emerge...

so why not now?

[KingBean]

Well for a hero to be rocognised people have to be looking.

[SHATOUSHKA]

nah.. usually the hero will find a high spot,
like a lamppost or a statue then fly up there
and expose their costume with a golden light
shining around their body...... *insert music*

but seriously.... i'm looking... but i don't
see the number of heroes increasing. why only
in a national crisis????

[Genie!]

I now get to go to the military hospital thank God, so all my medical, dentist bills are paid for by the military.
However, in the civilian hospital here, beside each registrar (where you sign in at, first go to) there is a big huge sign that is in english as well as spanish and also some other language. It says that regardless of your insurance you will be seen. It also states you will be seen in the order of your emergency (heart attack comes before broken arm, asthma breathing problems come before a cut finger that needs stitches.....you get the picture)
HOWEVER, on this same sign that says whether you have insurance or not, you have a right to be seen and WILL be seen, under all that it says, you will be responsible for your medical bill if not insured.

As far as "heroes" go, this is just MY personal opiniion.
A hero does not need or want credit. They do good deeds, life saving, saving babies, women and children and men without ever expecting anything back. Heros do not look for the recognition or the glory. They do it just because they know it's the right thing and humanly thing to do and they usually say, "I did what anyone else would have done for me". BUT would someone else actually do that for them?

I think there are heroes and then I think there are some greedy motherfuckers thinking, "I don't care if I save this person or not, it's just my job and I can't wait for my shift to be over."

I have met some really bad fucked up doctors, and I have met some heroes.

Either way, I think everyone should be seen and treated and taken care of regardless. If they aren't, sooner or later America is gonna end up like some third world country where our poor people, who can't afford a doctor are gonna just start being found on the streets and even highways like we see in other countries on the news already, in alley ways, in their homes. I think if the poor doesnt start getting taken care of too regardless of whether they can pay or not, in the near future we are gonna see alot more dead people laying out in the streets along our highways even just because they knew they couldnt go to the E.R because they couldn't afford a doctor and a hospital bill.
In this town here, it is already starting to be that way. I know alot of elderly people and alot of sick, needy people who get real sick from time to time. You KNOW they need to go to a doctor, I KNOW they need to go to a doctor and you ask them, why don't you go, or even, "Why don't you go to the E.R" and plain and simple, they tell you it's because I can't afford it. People are already seeing, "If I don't have the money or I can't pay, I have no choice. I have no choice but to lay here and be sick, ill, dying, whatever.

It's fucking sad!

[LdyAutumn]

Our hospital here has the only emergancy room for about an hour in both directions. The too have the sign mentioned by Genie in the previous post BUT if you call the billing department and can prove hardship they will write your bil off.

Mind you this is not a well know fact but the option is there.

As for hero Dr.'s I have met 2 in my life neither of wich were ever publicly recognized.

One was my teen Dr. he knew there was more to what was going on at home and beggewd me to tell with tears in his eyes and held me when I found out I was pregnant with my son.

Another was the Dr. I had when I first found out I had MS and I needed to be hospitalized. He paced for 1/2 an hour trying to figure a way around the medi-cal (medi-care)rules.
Finally he told me what it was I needed to do to do to be admited. He then told me in around about way how to achive the nessacary requirements.

I feel that any Dr. that truly cares about his paitents and not just the money is a hero in my book. Which both of these men proved to me.

[SHATOUSHKA]

good points/stories guys.

i suppose my point of the thread was mainly directed
to those that have no insurance and no primary
doctor... and how the hospital has to get a
doctor to accept responsibility for the patient.

i think thats stupid