The Whole Truth About Endyn

[atpr]

Finally, a chronological list of events happens with all the facts. Please
people, read these things and KNOW that they are true.

This entire message should be used as a reference in the entire
Endyn/Atomic dispute. This is all FACT, and nobody can dispute the
content herein. NOBODY. The following is undisputed.

#1 Atomic established relationship with Endyn late 2000. Endyn then makes
Atomic a ?test? site for new products being released. The relationship is
solid.
#2 Endyn offers to build Atomic a motor that will ?bring Endyn? out into
the mass market. Endyn declares this in about January, 2001. A date is
set when to bring the motor out. It is the NHRA even in early April. In
Ennis Texas.
#3 Atomic is in AWE of Endyn because it was believed they had 25+ NASCAR
teams, F1, CART teams, NASA projects and had about 40 engine dynos. So
everyone at Atomic couldn?t wait to go visit Endyn and see this motor that
was offered.
#4 Atomic then purchases a CRX, custom everything and pays about $10,000
getting this car ready. That?s just on the car, not anything else?Endyn is
aware of the progress and the date is still set for April.
#5 Endyn calls Atomic on the Monday before the race and declares the motor
is already on the engine dyno and to come to Texas to put it in. This is
confirmed by several people at Atomic on Tuesday. Read this again, he told
US to come?.cause he was ready.
*NOTE: Endyn invited us, offered US the motor and asked us to come.
#6 Atomic arrives in Texas on Thursday morning at Endyn ?Larry?s
house?. Atomic was then informed that the motor?s crank broke because it
had no counterbalance weights and that it was 373 HP to the flywheel and
that the valves were 2 MM over. Kind of unbelievable, but yet, that was
stated to everyone present. It is stated to have blown up on
Monday. Atomic should have seen it right away, but we were still in AWE of
him. We should have remembered that on Tuesday he said everything was great.
#7 Atomic asks to use a welder and if Endyn has any at its facility. The
answer is that Endyn has plenty of welding equipment.
#8 Atomic asks if there is going to be a motor available for the race this
weekend and if Atomic should even ?try? to get things ready. Atomic was
informed that the motor would be ready Friday evening and that they could
not go to Endyn to do the work.
#9 Larry then calls a friend of his in Dallas that owns a shop and sends
Atomic over to this persons shop to work.
**NOTE: This person was NOT informed that Atomic was coming. It was last
minute. Larry just called this person last minute. We do not know why. He
knew Atomic was coming, at great expense, but yet when Atomic arrived, no
plans were in effect whatsoever. Kind of fishy. Why would he have no
plans for us? Yet he talked so big about how we were going to run the world
record this Saturday?
#10 Atomic then started to wonder?why no plans was made and asked to see
the motor that blew up or Endyn. Either one would suffice. Atomic was
told to go to this other shop and work, and that he had a lot of work to do
on this new motor that would be ready Friday.
#11 Atomic drives to Dallas area to work in this person shop. Atomic
arrives in this shop about 12 PM Thursday and nobody from Atomic has slept
at all in about 3 days. 3 days.
#12 Atomic has the Endyn race CRX ready to go and has brought along another
car, owned and paid for by a mechanic at Atomic. THIS 2nd car, ATOMIC did
not pay 1 dime on, and did not pay 1 dime to send it to Texas. This car
was paid for and hauled at the entire expense of the mechanic. So Friday
night late, the Endyn car is ready and we all STILL have not slept?just
working away. So Larry even mentioning this car is totally a diversion,
Atomic did not pay 1 cent toward it.
#13 We get the #2 car up on the dyno and it has a few problems. We are all
delirious tired from no sleep in more than 3 days, just a few minutes here
and there and a few of us are calling Larry every 30 minutes.
#14 Jeff gets in contact with Larry about 10:30 PM Friday night or
so. Larry confirms that he will call us in a few hours when we can go to
Endyn and put the motor in the car. Jeff gets off the phone all
excited. He states that the motor is almost ready and that it should be
around 2 AM or so. All of the Atomic Staff are witness to these words.
#15 2 AM, 3 AM, 4 AM, several people are calling Larry every 30 minutes,
leaving messages. No answer.
#16 5 AM, and the 2nd car breaks. The VTEC pin in the head that you need
to maintain oil pressure for VTEC to engage is not right and another one
cannot be located. Also of mention, the car has no oil pressure and the
Car was taken apart and the oil pump was replaced 2x that night. Everyone
is totally exhausted. I mean TOTALLY exhausted.
#17 About 8 AM turns around and everyone is starting to worry and everyone
is still calling Endyn. No answer, just leaving messages.
#18 About 10 AM rolls around and we talk to our pals at the race and they
say that Endyn is AT THE RACE!!!!! So we are all just totally in
disbelief. And we are let down and it?s like a slap in the face. Our pal
gets Larry on the phone and he doesn?t even say anything, he did not say
sorry, he did not offer any explanation. We asked him why he did not call
us and tell us anything and he was silent. Then we said we are just going
back to CA. And he said, and we quote??ok, bye?.
#19 half of Atomic goes back to CA, in disbelief. Jeff and our mechanic
with the 2nd car remain to talk to Larry.
#20 Larry offers Jeff a job at Endyn. Jeff accepts and makes preparations
to come back with his father to discuss the deal and to buy a house in
Texas. Jeff puts his house up on the market to be sold. Jeff tells
Charles that he needs to go back to Texas again to finalize
working. Charles in informed by Jeff that he will be leaving Atomic and
working for Endyn if the offer is good. Charles is very understanding but
can?t help but feel betrayed.
#21 Jeff arrives back in Texas with a full blown realtor and search for a
house with his Dad. Larry apparently finalized plans and wanted
Jeff. Jeff flies back home and gives Atomic back over to Charles. Jeff
then offers Charles the dyno to buy. Charles accepts. Charles and Jeff
are still good friends, just not as good as before.
#22 Charles, aware of exactly what Endyn ?is?, and takes action to never
do business with them again. Charles, in a smart move, calls Wiseco to
order some generic pistons that are similar to CTR pistons, they just fit
tight. Wiseco faxes over a pricing guide and the pistons are available to
Atomic if they do a buy in. Jeff is still under the ?status? umbrella, as
we like to call it and still thinks Endyn is real. ***NOTE: these are NOT
Endyn roller wave pistons. Wiseco is under contract with Endyn or whatever
you call it, to only sell those pistons to Larry. But Charles did not
order those pistons, he ordered different pistons. And Wiseco will sell
you, Charles, or any other shop Dome pistons for any car upon a buy
in. Legal, Ethical and now that you all know the truth, it?s exactly what
Larry does. He buys Wiseco pistons and puts his name on them. Only one
thing, Atomic is not going to put their name on the dome pistons they want,
because were not claiming to ?design? them, merely use them.
#23 Jeff flies back to Texas at the request of Endyn again, to help for a
NIRA race, but Endyn does not answer the door for Jeff and ignores every
single call by him, he was there for 5 days. Jeff is distraught and comes
back home to a gang of pissed people?us?.
#23 Jeff gets back to CA and calls Larry on the phone. We don?t know what
exactly was said, but Jeff was just distraught for a week and did not even
show up at work for a long time. When one of us talked to him, he was in
tears. Apparently, he had been sucked for information then thrown
away. Jeff apparently, from our conversations with him was just
emotionally crushed and mad at himself that be believed in Larry then found
out it was all a lie. I mean, damn, I feel for him. He believed in Endyn
more than any of you, way more. Jeff used to get in borderline fist fights
with people backing up Larry. Jeff has hundreds of enemies now because of
Larry. I mean people that hate Jeff because of Endyn. And now Jeff just
goes around and tells people what a fool he was and to forgive him. So
please people, if any of you didn?t like Jeff for pressing Endyn so much,
please forgive him. He meant well, but like thousands of people right
now?he was sucked in?We like to think of it as ?texas fever? All the cults
are from there, and mean David Caresh, a lunatic, had tons of followers and
he was a total fraud. Sound familiar? Remember, just because you believe
it, just does not make it true.
#24 In conversations with Charles, Larry states that Jeff was thrown away
because ?anyone associated with Charles could never work around
here?. Charles feels pity for Jeff and lets him stick around and work the
dyno until he can find another job.
#25 Atomic receives many, many phone calls from people around the industry
and from other racing circuits that have been in the game since the
70?s. (NASCAR). Hint hint.
These people give Atomic the information and sources they needed to prove
what they already knew. Phone numbers were called to verify, documents
passed, and all in all..all assumptions were correct.

This is where all the lies were uncovered that make perfect sense.

Now, this is the scary part. Especially to all fans of Endyn. Here is
information you all need to know.
? Endyn is Larry?s house. It is run, solely out of his house, and
there is no other facility. Do not believe anything you hear to state
otherwise. The man even posted pictures on his web site trying to prove it
existed but further proved it does not exist. Notice he took a ?key?
picture down in the last few days of those first pics? Why? Because if
you study the picture?it is absolutely clear. Endyn ports heads in his own
garage, pistons are kept on shelves and on the floor throughout the house,
kamikaze headers are all stacked up in the living room, and there must have
been 20-30 heads in the garage. No blocks though to be seen?.do you know
why? Because when the people from Atomic asked about the cranks being
reduced it was stated by you know who that he used a ?local machine shop?
to do all his block work. A local machine shop folks. So know that you
are being cheated and that all the work you are paying for is not done by
Endyn, but rather some is done by a machine shop. Do you feel cheated
yet? Wait, there is more. Furthermore, all pistons are sanded down in his
garage, and one of our mechanics states that he was given lessons in his
garage. And was given instruction on how he goes about porting heads, with
a hand held porting bit. ?hand held?.
? More on this supposed motor that was supposed 373 at the
flywheel. We all asked several questions about this motor. And answers
were given. The main line was about the individual throttle bodies. Endyn
stated they were ?custom? Endyn ITB?s and that they had an adjustable
plenum. Wow, that sounds great. It was also stated the valves were 2 MM
over. Is that even possible? We don?t know because we never say any
evidence of it. But what Endyn does not know is that we saw the head and
the ITB?s. That?s right. We saw them. Our mechanic clearly saw it. And
it was a B16A head, and it had normal Honda valves in it, but it had TWM
Throttle bodies?no surprise, we have already been lied to 100+ times.
? Here is what is shocking. That you all need to think about. I
mean, you really need to think about this one. You see, Endyn is at
Larry?s house. This is undisputed. No matter how much you love the man,
you cannot refute this. BUT, here is what you need to think about?.you
see?on his boards?he claims to be testing products and dynoing motors all
the time, and designing new things?.right? You have all read it. But, he
owns not 1 dyno, nothing. He does not have a flow bench at his house, no
dyno?s, nothing. So how is he doing all this research and all this design
work if he has no test bed to prove what he designed works? The answer is
he cannot. Ever wonder where he gets numbers like 355 and such? Ever
wonder why he says certain headers are better than others? Ever
wonder? Well, wonder no more, because its make believe. I know it?s hard
to believe that a man some of your respect so much is a phony, but he owns
no dyno?s and there is no Endyn except his house. There used to be, as you
might have guessed, but not anymore. You see, all that is known about
Endyn is in the magazines back in 1986 when the NASCAR guys like Glidden
cam out and stated ?we are a bunch of idiots? for buying heads from
there. And then in 1987 Endyn drops off the face of the earth??.No
shock?because all those guys who he ?claimed? was winning with his
heads?came out with the REAL people that were making heads for them?and the
real people who were porting heads for those teams were infuriated. It?s
that simple. Because, if you brag that you make Dale Earnharts motor and
Jeff Gordon?s, eventually those guys are going to here that some crazy guy
is taking credit for somebody else?s work. And then that person gets a bad
rep. Well?.its exposed now?and everybody that comes to Atomic is informed
about this bad rep, this liar, this fraud and knows the truth about
him. What is the truth?
? Endyn sent Atomic a ported Head with a valve job. After all these
lies were exposed, Atomic took apart that head and examined every inch of
it. Atomic was told that the valves were modified and had special work to
them. They were totally stock, no such work. Atomic was told the valve
guides were reworked. They were totally stock, no such rework. Makes you
wonder. If this guy is lying to us about work he gave us when we were on
good terms with him?are you really getting what you pay for? Its hard to
believe anything. If you get any work done there, please, send it out and
have it inspected. We also found used bearings in a block from
Endyn. Used bearings? Well, that?s understandable, the machine shop isn?t
Endyn, it?s a separate company.
? It is that all this man Endyn does is network with different
companies, like WIseco, Eagle, kamikaze, Bosch, etc and sells them under
the ?endyn? name. And, with all these people out there believing the lies
that he does NASCAR teams, SCCA teams, CART teams, NASA projects and all
that other baloney, Endyn receives a status that is very highly
elevated. I mean that is why Atomic did business with him in the first
place?because they believed that the man was so great, so genius, so
awesome to work with NASA?wow, we want to sell this guys stuff. Well,
people, it?s not his stuff, it?s just a mix of companies that he
distributes for. And porting?
? Well, he already gave Atomic every single secret and part to a B20
and Atomic made about 230 HP at the wheels with it. This was entirely an
Endyn motor. And frankly, the 230 figure is not very great, it?s just
good. So we contend that Larry ports good heads. But, several other shops
around us, and we mean several have B20 VTEC?s with much lesser cams in
them that makes 265 at the wheels. And these have no Endyn parts. So we
were kind of disappointed with the 230, but it seems that we have high HP
all motor compared to any other Endyn customer all motor. So far.

? So people, we now know exactly what happened, and in what
order. You see, you need to review the list, because he invited us to TX,
he offered the motor to US, he told us what to do, then he screwed us. Not
even a warning?just screwed?and this was weeks before anyone called
Wiseco. And weeks before any other accusation. You see, after Atomic got
back from TX, they knew what a fraud this guy was so just took action to
just go direct and get similar pistons, legally and ethically, cause it?s
the same thing Larry does. And don?t say nobody else is allowed to buy
Wiseco pistons. That is not fair.
? So are you guys seeing the full picture? How is this stuff all
getting developed with no facility to research in? How are these motors
being spun to 13,000 RPM and making 355 at what dyno? And how come nobody
on this planet can show a chart or back that up from seeing it? He has no
facility, which means he has to do it in town at another dyno place, not
owned by him?.but he is not?because we already checked all that out. So
now you guys all know what?s going on?.
? Every single post referring to anything being tested, dyno?d
whatever is just a blatant lie in order to gain him status and gain him
sales. I mean, dang, you post up you make 355 Hp at the wheels all motor
and your going to generate some headwork sales and some piston sales. But,
since it?s not true and there is no such motor in existence, nor has there
ever been, it is called Fraud. He is elevating his status to a level to
you people where you think he is 100 xs more than he really is. And you
are paying him money, and he is making money off all these lies. It?s
totally criminal and its funny that Atomic is the bad guy for telling the
truth.
? Atomic was so mad at first, that you have to understand where
somebody like Mike, a red blooded American, can just get flaming pissed off
over all this deception, fraud and lies. I mean, what if Atomic lied to
you and fooled you into spending 20K plus on some bet on a motor that never
existed? Would you be mad also? What would you do? Well that?s how it
happened. Totally inexcusable.
? This story is what you need to read again, and it is what you need
to know. Because all this man does is elevate his status so that you think
he is so great. Because that is what generates money folks. And he is
making a killing off of all of you believing in all this deception. And we
love the way he uses reverse psychology and just mocks or makes fun of the
accusations we make. He cannot refute any claims we have folks. Not one
of them. There are thousands of you out there. You guys should have
laughed when he posted SCANNED pictures from 20 years ago up to prove that
Endyn exists outside of his house. Why would he post up a ton of newly
taken DIGITAL pictures like he does all the time, and then put up scanned
pictures from an album he has from 20 years ago to prove that something
exists? You guys are too smart to fall for that. He even took 1 major
picture down because he realized that you can prove that pic is near 20
years old.
? And some of you applaud him for ?starting? out of his
garage. Folks. This man ?Started? in a shop, and ended up back in his
garage. Not the other way around.
? And also, for you people keeping track, he lives with his parents
still. And actually the maturity is apparent when he throws a temper
tantrum about small things on his site once in awhile.
? Port heads to within .001 with your hands? Can I get a count of
who actually believes that?
? And lastly, the real quake on the Richter scale. Did you know what
anyone that does business with Endyn out of Larry?s house is dealing with a
company that operates illegally? Yes, Endyn is an illegal company and the
proper authorities have been contacted. It won?t be in business out of his
house much longer. Because guess what folks?

YOU CAN?T RUN A BUSINESS LIKE HIS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. IT?S AGAINST FEDERAL
LAW.

Wow, that last one should really grab you. If it was legal, hell, everyone
wouldn?t need to lease commercial space would they? This guy is exposed
and he is in trouble. Now that everyone knows they were just sucked into
all these lies and believed this outrageous, elevated status just to make
money? ?everyone that does the research on this man can only have 1
outcome?. scammed. Ask yourself if you would have bought anything from
this person if he was an average Joe blow that lives with his
parents? Probably not. I now, its hard to admit you all got sucked into
all the status lies, but hey, you can?t change the facts. Atomic
respectfully apologizes for offending anyone with any posts, we were just
totally outraged at the lies and deceit and fraud. We are sorry; we hope
this new message is more on your guy?s level. I wonder what all these
followers of Endyn are going to say about him running his business
illegally currently. I can?t wait to see the response to that??he didn?t
know better right?

Also, this list is very short, we have at least 20 other items of proof to
show the lies and fraud if need be. Status sells. And boy are people
buying the lies. Somebody gets richer at the expense of lies. Bad business.

This episode is closed. Thank you all for your time in reading this large
post. But this post is for all the honest people in the world. The people
who deserve to know. These are the facts, they are undisputed, we have
several eye-witnesses to any account you want to contest.

Thank you.

Atomic Performance

[satitus]

Check out this rebuttal:
http://ferrari.colowatch.com/php/sho...sb=5&o=0&part=

[SilverSupraTT]

ohhh damn........ive waited for almost 2 years to see the shit to finally hit the fan........

guess the day has come

[SSBP]

FINALLY THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT! I LAUGH AT ALL YOU DUMB ASSES THAT PAID THIS RETARD MONEY.

THANK YOU ATOMIC PERFORMANCE!!!!

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92 Chevrolet Corvette LT1
00 Acura 3.2 TL
98 Honda Accord EX-V6

[reddelsol]

Wonder if Atomic can explain the following post, posted by Jeff (from Atomic)on the Endyn board on 04/09/2001.

NOS was used, but does it really account for claims made?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We ran the car at the track for the first time since the modification. Before we sent the blower to Larry, it boosted 10 PSI

AFTER Larry touched it, with his Blower modification...which i believe was a complete rework of the inside of it, it now puts out around 17 PSI...

Well...that motor also has Endyn 9.7:1 Pistons in a Type-R block. And Boy does that thing make the power now.

It has 450+ HP to the wheels now..and that thing actually spun the tires on the dyno after 8k RPM..strapped down tight too. Pulls hard all the way to 9500 RPM.

We tried a variety of cams on it. And so you folks are aware, the GSR cams made 2% more power than the Type-R cams.

So folks, just so you know, the Endyn modification to your Jackson Supercharger is VERY worthwhile.
the car did:

10.45 @ about 138

And it weighed 2100 lbs. It had a wheelie bar on the back also.

Runs better than ever now.

Thanks.

Jeff

Visit my web page....we do it ALL.
www.atomicperformance.com www.importreview.com <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[96IntegraRS]

Please, please, please, someone lock this thread.

This is a tech board, not a billboard.

[Holden]

I'd have to side with Atomic on this one.

They post a fact laden, specific enema of Larry and he responds by mentioning "certain people" and throwing insults about the Atomic crew's hygiene and appearance?

I used to think Enyn was bullshit. Then I moved to neutral territory. Now I'm back in the BS camp.

I've always wondered why people who send away a blower with whatever realistic size pulley on it and get one back with a 3" pulley are amazed when they see huge boost increases.

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Greg Holden
96 GSR, JSRC @10psi, All the Goodies!
Best 1/4 ==&gt; 13.937 @ 101.41mph (at 6psi)
My JRSC Install Site

[strng1dah]

I'd have to say that the worst is what 11psiGSR posted about his motor. He had it fully built by Endyn and he is FAR from happy.

I am kind of ambivalent on the story related by Atomic. I mean their dynos were unbelievable, and I want to put their story in the same category.

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2000 SC'd GSR
[email protected] best before the blower.
www.strng1dah.homestead.com

[reddelsol]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by strng1dah:
I'd have to say that the worst is what 11psiGSR posted about his motor. He had it fully built by Endyn and he is FAR from happy.

I am kind of ambivalent on the story related by Atomic. I mean their dynos were unbelievable, and I want to put their story in the same category.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree with you there. Since many of us saw his pics and build-up right here and wondered what happened.

But, I'm certainly not giving Atomic the benifit of the doubt without some futher explanation [like responding to what I posted above from Jeff]

If they wish to respond that Jeff was confused, and can't read dyno numbers or "even" a boost guage, fine. Then what motivated them to go to Texas? There's more fishy smell than Endyn around here.

[lundgren]

Larry's reply http://ferrari.colowatch.com/php/sho...sb=5&o=0&part=