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Before I rant, I love Chuck Nagy, the guy has been there for this organization but c'mon already he is done. Of course he will not bow out because he is making crazy money. So some might ask why get rid of him we are paying him anyway?? The answer is because he cannot get people out, he gets hammered! Even if he is pitching from behind, you might as well just give the game away, no chance for qa comeback becaus ehe will get killed. Why not give a younger pitcher a shot in the pen or even keep a young talented bench player. Who cares about the money its gone whether you keep him or not. Chuck thank you for the great years but please Shapiro sack up and show this guy the door
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You can't just release a guy who has a guaranteed contract without any liability. You will still have to pay him. The insurance kicks in only when it's a medical fact that he can't pitch. Not being able to get a guy out is not medical proof that a guy can't pitch. They could DL him but it offers no help because they'd still have to pay him. So the Indians really have no choice. They have to keep Nagy because they will be paying his salary this year. You can put all this on Nagy if it makes you feel better but there are some guaranteed contracts on this team that are far more injurious to the club's ability to make moves than Nagy's contract. I'm not sure who exactly you think is missing an opportunity to pitch for this team because Nagy is there. If you've got a problem with him today you'll have a problem with him all year because he ain't going nowhere.
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Doc Oct, I don't think your response tracks with the original topic post.
Even if you have to pay him, release him.
The topic posts premise is that Nagy may cost us games.
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I responded to the specific points made in the post. The topic "Nagy" is general enough that I could provide his date of birth and be on topic.
I agree with you that Nagy may cost us games. So too will Guitterez, Finley, Cordero, Lawton, and 21 other guys. I'm sure Charlie Manuel and Mark Shapiro will also be responsible for some of the losses this team will have. That's baseball.
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[This message has been edited by Mr. October (edited March 26, 2002).]
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October, My point was who cares about the money. I know that no matter what we have to pay him, what I don't understand is why is that a deciding factor. Why do we keep him on the roster because we owe him. Do you really think that he can still be a good pitcher for this team?? I don't, he hasn't been able to consistently get guys out. Who would I rather see pitch you ask?? Somebody that might be a part of the future and can get guys out. Right now it looks like this team will carry 12 pitchers because they feel obligated to keep Nagy on the roster, so goodbye Karim Garcia and other potential talent. Let me reverse the question why do you want him on this roster??
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. October:
If you've got a problem with him today you'll have a problem with him all year because he ain't going nowhere.
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The realistic option is to lure him into retirement by spreading the $6mil out over a few years. With money market rates below 2%, Charlie would go for it. He knows he's washed up as well as we do, but he is not about to throw the money away by simply retiring.
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Charlie may retire and forego the last year of his contract.
I know...I know...no one else would do that with a guaranteed $6 million for sitting in the dugout staring at the walls, but Nagy just might be the exception.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Genius:
He knows he's washed up as well as we do, but he is not about to throw the money away by simply retiring.
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So much for Nagy being a great team guy. Six million is a lot of cache so I don't fault Chuck but it has to count against him and his great 'team' and Cleveland reputation.
He knows he's hurting the team & franchise (he knew it last year when he left the team). He just wants the Tribe to cut him
so he won't lose the money.
I've lost respect for Nagy ever since his ill-fated 3 Sept. starts in 2000.
It's obviuos Nagy does not buy into Shapiro's "team first" credo.
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[This message has been edited by *TR (edited March 27, 2002).]
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Why hasn't Nagy worked on developing a knuckleball?
Think about it -- it worked for Charlie Hough and Phil Niekro who were effective for years throwing no harder than 75 mph.
If Nagy were serious about helping tyhe team, he would have worked on a knuckler with Niekro during the off season, instead of stubbornly trying to throw his "fastball" and his "curve".
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Genius:
The realistic option is to lure him into retirement by spreading the $6mil out over a few years. With money market rates below 2%, Charlie would go for it. He knows he's washed up as well as we do, but he is not about to throw the money away by simply retiring.
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He's already hinted in public that he would be receptive to some kind of buyout. He got a pretty frosty response from Shapiro along the lines of "he never told me about that". Wanna bet Dolan has already vetoed the idea? My belief is that Dolan has decreed that he has to be either on the roster if the team is paying him or on the DL so the insurance can pay, but he's d*mned if he'll pay Nagy for not playing. That would be in character for this ownership- the only reason Cordero is on the roster is that Dolan has to pay him.
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