Delivery man brought this in....
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I was looking at those on ebay, $160 shipped is a great price for a ss header compared to the over $400 for the dc sports. Make sure to post some post install pics and opinions for us.
DAMN IT! i totally forgot to do a how to. I was just so excited about my first modd. As far as performance gains, i can tell a lost a bit of torque, and gained very minimal gains in diff parts of the rpm range. the sol runs smoother though oddly haha. So far right now though, i cant say i'm satisfied with it, but this may because of my restrictive OEM cat and exhaust. I still cant seem to find any obx twin loop mufflers anymore. Any help with that?
ya, i didnt see them on ebay either, there are still the cheapie, which i do not recommend, and the Netami, which is really nice too. I say go for the Netami. It actually looks cleaner than my OBX, I just havent heard much about Netami. Of course i hear nothing but bad about OBX.
i havn't heard a DAMN thing about netami. The exhaust tip looks a bit diff than the obx the last time i checked and it wasn't appealing to me. but it kills me to know i could be getting the same thing for $100 shipped instead of the netami's what..$140? do you still have any kind of contact with the ebay seller that you purchased the muffler from?
the seller was sparktecmotorsports_com . I paid $75.00 plus $25.00 shipping. Hope that helps you out.
On my old SR20 powered NX2000 and sentra se-r, I had a header on each of them. The NX had a $120 pacesetter, and the sentra had the dyno proven best SR20 Hotshot gen 4 header, which cost me over $400. they both performed the same way, a little louder and minimal gains. A header just doesnt do much on a 4 cylinder. Now on a big block V8 or even V6 you will get decent gains. On our cars it is a small piece to the power puzzle, alone it is minimal, but pieced together with other mods it will pay off later, but not much. just my 2 cents.
So you're saying that after the install the car performs worse than stock? But this is due to the stock exhaust set up? Sorry to hear about the problems. Was the replacement suposed to increase performance or only look good?
dan, you are a life saver, imma try and see if i can find the guy/girl when i get a chance. Headers are expected to make you lose some torque in the lower end due to lower back pressure but you do gain hp in higher rpms is what the general idea is. this is suppose to go for exhaust and high flow cats as well. you wont truely benifit from these modds from our small displacement engines until some more serious numbers are being put down..... regardless though, the headers are a very nice shiny gold right now..they just simply scream sex when i look at then lol.
hMmMM...tried looking for the guy but no luck so far...imma shoot them an email from their website.
I've been watching this thread for a while now to see what people would say and it's been interesting. As you've found out you've losted some bottom end which was to be expected by lowering the back pressure of the exhaust system, but lowering it more you will loose even more by pushing the peak torque curve even highter, by the way where/what rpm does it "feel' about the same as it was before, 3000, 4000, etc.? As Daniel pointed out our small under 100 cubic inch engine just don't have that much grunt anyway to start with, so why take it away.
When I put my header on I wasn't expecting much and was pleasently surprised when it produced an increase starting at 3K which is just off idle anyway. It now has a pretty flat torque curve starting a 3K and goes almost all the way to redline which is fine for normal driving (you don't drive in VTEC all the time anyway). One plus was when passing a car on the freeway, I don't have to down-shift into 4th anymore, just hit the gas and go. I would estimate it at 5-7 hp max at the flywheel, with a 2-3 hp gain at the wheels. So as you can see the design of the header does make a difference as to where the power/torque is placed.
As to your loss in torque, you can make it back up and more so by installing a Skunk2 intake manifold (a very well thought out design if I do say so myself), the runners are much longer (for more bottom end torque) then the stock manifold to help in this area (for an example, I rode in a members car that has one on his and I was very impressed with the response and power that gave it, now I think he was using DC Sports as a header with this set-up, which runs pretty small pipe (1 1/2 inch in size, and a 4-2-1 design) with a 60 or 62mm throttle bore, which in my mind was a bit of over-kill, (much bigger then what I would run unless I was going all out with the motor). The Skunk2 seem to start giving more power from around 3k up, it's definitely a street manifold giving you the juice where you need it most.
Anyway I hope this gives you some "food for thought" on it and hope your enjoying the new header, stainless steel rocks!!!
Geo
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I forgot to add on my other post: Did you re-set the computer after you put the header on? It will re-program it's self, but it just takes a bit more time for it to do it by it's self.
Geo
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Team Sol of Washington
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good info and good to know. As far as where i feel the extra power and extra loss..i'm not too quite sure. Still havn't gotten that chance to romp on it. As far as intake manifolds go, there's so much debate as to whcih one is better, i hear very good things about the skunk2 intake mani and then i hear some small issues with them. I believe one of them might have been a clearance issue with it hitting the firewall but i cant completely recall. I hear nothing but good things about edelbrock(sp) though, and i believe there was one more brand name that did better than edelbrock on a dyno proven test result but i cant recall that either. I'll search honda-tech later for it. Also, i'm not too quite sure if i wanna drop $200-$300 for an intake manny for my d16, i just dont imagine seeing enough gains for it to be worth the time and effort. I figure, they cost as much as the ones for DOHC motors so i should just wait until i get one and then get a mroe agressive intake manny. I came across a VERY interesting thread last night on this d series website/forum. It had a list of things to do to make your SOHC d16z6/y8 get up to about 160whp. i'll post links later on tonight or tomorrow when i get the chance.