Hype.dec

What does everyone think of the new Legacy deck "Hulk Flash" and ALL the hype about it? The decklist is posted at the end. Personally, I think it's another flash-in-the-pan Legacy idea because if it DOES work and can consistantly win on turn 0.5 or 1.5, one or all of the combo pieces will be banned right quick. Either that or they will re-errata the un-errata on flash. You can also run it with ravager and ornithopter/shield sphere if the X cost artifact creatures (p.marauder and s.wall) aren't available to you, but that allows a response by your oponnent. I think it's intriguing, but I've never been a big fan of combo in tourney decks - It just feels like cheating ... like Legacy Goblins.

Decklist:
"Hulk Flash"

The Engine:
4 Flash
4 Protean Hulk
4 Phyrexian Marauder
4 Shifting Wall
4 Disciple of the Vault


The Search:
4 Worldly Tutor
4 Mystical Tutor
3 Brainstorm


The Acceleration:
4 Lotus Petal
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide


The Prevention:

4 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Chain of Vapor


The Land:
4 Gemstone Caverns
4 Island

Now that's a neat deck. What a novel concept. I'd like to know if it performs consistantly. Well, since goblins feel like cheating (and I agree here) then one can fight fire with fire. :D

OK. I get the concept with all of the free mana sources on turn 0.5 to get out the Protean Hulk, but how do you kill the Protean Hulk, and how do you sac all of the artifacts without a Ravager piece?

Now I get it. That combo is pretty gay.

What is the errata/unerratta for Flash?

You flash out the protean hulk. Because you don't pay it's cost (reduced by 2) you have to sacrifice. When it hits the yard, you pull all 4 disciples and all of the XCC artifacts. Those all come into play at the same time. Because no cost was paid for them, the XCC's die. Those trigger the 4 disciples for a mass amount of damage.

If you get a Gemstone Cavern, a Flash, a Hulk, and either spirit guide in your opening hand, you can win right then.

It's funny, most of this decks parts weren't worth shit a month ago. Looking around now, a lot of them had a major price jerk. Star City wants like $7 for Protean Hulks!

stupid arron, got to explaining the deck by the time I got it posted. but yeah, I would assume the once $2 hulk would go up once people found a decent use for it.

<font color="#C0C0C0" size="1">[ May 08, 2007 12:46 PM: Message edited by: (GM)2 ]</font>

I think legacy decks that beat goblins are awesome. Stupid goblins.

It DID have eratta that made you pay the CC of the hulk -2 colorless else it never hit play, didn't trigger, etc. This has been removed by wizards. I STILL think this is very vulnerable to disruption, but a god hand for them is G.G. before you even get to play a card. I think everyone is saying it's about 10-20% of the time. Duress, needle, FOW, chalice at 1 (stops tutors) ... all can disrupt it enough. I think it's going to FORCE the format to use EVEN MORE mana acceleration to deal with it though.

Needle doesn't work.

They'll prolly just ban Diciple of the Vault. That wouldn't do much to the format and would break this deck in half.

But then you'd just go back to Rector combo. Need to get rid of flash. The new "Cheese Stands Alone" reprint (barren glory) STILL means turn 1.5 win. It'd be REALLY HARD to Simian Spirit Guide out a suspended G.Gargadon and protect the b.glory with FOW or PoNeg for all of 1 turn right? When they are probably stuck on land-go or land-creature(that doesn't matter)-go on turn 1? Flash is still the broken piece.

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Originally posted by jrr:
They'll prolly just ban Diciple of the Vault. That wouldn't do much to the format and would break this deck in half.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know that the decklist posted above does not reflect this, but there are other ways to get immediate kill off Flash and Hulk, such as the Kiki-jiki decks that run Karmic Guide, Kiki-Jiki, Carrion Feeder, Bloodshot Cyclops and Teardrop Kami for the win.

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Originally posted by TheAbe:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jrr:
They'll prolly just ban Diciple of the Vault. That wouldn't do much to the format and would break this deck in half.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know that the decklist posted above does not reflect this, but there are other ways to get immediate kill off Flash and Hulk, such as the Kiki-jiki decks that run Karmic Guide, Kiki-Jiki, Carrion Feeder, Bloodshot Cyclops and Teardrop Kami for the win.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And if you don;t run the Cyclops and Teardrop Kami, you can still attack with endless 2/2 flyers with Kiki-Jiki, Karmic Guide and Carrion Feeder.

Yeah I have seen a few other ways to do it now... banning flash would sort of just go to point saying "Yeah it was too good as printed." So thats just a bad answer... besides how many of us regularly play Legacy tournies anyway?

If they still RAN Legacy tourneys close to me I'd go. I used to go ALL THE TIME when they were still holding Legacy at Stadium. I think it's a great format. You guys should try it! We should get a group together and run up to Pandemonium on a Thursday ...

I'm slowly building solidarity, it plays a lot like my style, but I know I am going to want some real practice with it before I even think about tournies. I think I only need about 10 cards for it, 4 of which are the resets ):

I'd watch this: Auction Link

Resets are what holds me back as well. I might get around to building Thresh. I think I have everything besides the SB Pithing Needles. Or, I could just modify the Angel Stomp I already have together. It all depends on what Hulk Flash does to the meta.

Yeah, if they don't stop Hulk Flash or find a way to slow it down, legacy might not even be worth it for a while.

I definitely agree. It's kind of wait and see time now. Angel Stompy can be a quick force and can do well against goblins. But, a turn 2-3 combo deck? Not likely. The same with thresh.