Suicide

Is it a direct ticket straight to hell? Is it worse than any other sin we as humans commit? What if you make your peace with God, but are simply sick of living in this pissy world? Is our God not a forgiving God? Is a sin still just a sin? Debate material

God will not put more on you than you can handle. Keep your faith in him and he will deliver you from anything.

Sin is not just a sin, it is death. IMO it's kind of hard to ask for forgiveness after you splattered your brains on the bedroom wall.

still going to hell unless you dont kill yourself right away and are laying there suffering and then ask for forgivness

Guys, don't get me wrong. This thread isn't for me. This thread is for a young poster on here who is reaching out. I need back-up friends. Yes, I do have bouts of depression due to crap that I was put though as a kid, divorce crap, past...etc, but I know I have 2 sons who depend on me, as well as a good woman behind me. Life has hit me hard, but I'm still standing. I am just trying to make this person see that you have to fight to survive the tough times.

I have been through bad times all my life, everyone goes through times like these. I watched my brother die when I was six. I watched my dad die when I was 15, between those years I watched many family and close friends passaway. I have also been through crap that I would not wish on anybody, but I won't get into that. I thought about killing myself many times, but I always thought about how good life really is. Thank God that he was there for me during all that. When life slings crap at you, sling it back and laugh.

You and I probably could sit down for hours and talk about/compare stories about how tough life has been. I hope more folks post life experiences on here to help illustrate my point to him.

More like days.

Agreed
Got through it though-both of us, and thousands more have as well.

exactly.

Its according to whose docttine and dogma you are going by. Most would think yes, but I would say no.

The best way to help yourself is help others.

Whenever I've felt overwhelmed or down, I know that someone somewhere out there is going through something much worse than I am. I have to count my blessings.

If I stop focusing on how one thing in my life is negative, and maybe reach out to someone who needs help or encouragement, then eventually I end up encouraged myself.

There has been many times I thought about taking my life. But somehow I always back out of doing it. Sometimes through it makes you wonder why god put you through alot of hell like he does. But as far as killing yourself, I'm not one to say if it is a sin or not. But I will say this, it is the easy way out. If wasn't for all the pain, suffering and tradgey (sp) I been through, I wouldn't have met some really good friends. Like I was always told there is a reason for everything. Wheather we know it now or later.

I just think about my cousin Sheena. When she was battling Leukemia, the doctors went on and on about how she was so strong and had such a positive attitude through the whole thing. I went to see her at St. Judes on her 16th birthday...the last birthday she celebrated here on Earth...and when I walked in she was hooked up to everything taking a treatment. Something started beeping and she went over the the machine. It stopped beeping. The nurse came in and said, "Well, Sheena, you don't even need me anymore do you..." and laughed.

At the end of her battle, she was still positive...writing letters to her family saying, "I love you. We have a lot of catching up to do..."

I just think about her. Her life. Her fight. Her death.
Helps me put things in perspective.

If anyone needs a WAKE UP call,, and they think they have more problems than they can deal with,, then go visit the VETERANS ADMINISTRATION in SALEM,, I would say NO ONE on this board comes even close to these FINE PEOPLE who gave their all for our country and all of us,, and are tucked away in wheel chairs etc., and seemingly LOVED by NO ONE or they would not be there.

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God will not put more on you than you can handle. Keep your faith in him and he will deliver you from anything.

Sin is not just a sin, it is death. IMO it's kind of hard to ask for forgiveness after you splattered your brains on the bedroom wall.

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Dont know about the sin part but there is not anything in this world worth taking your own life for. There are some things I would risk it for but not take it.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with self ownage.. it's just a way for cowards to die more easily.

As they say, "Only the strong survive."

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I just think about my cousin Sheena. When she was battling Leukemia, the doctors went on and on about how she was so strong and had such a positive attitude through the whole thing. I went to see her at St. Judes on her 16th birthday...the last birthday she celebrated here on Earth...and when I walked in she was hooked up to everything taking a treatment. Something started beeping and she went over the the machine. It stopped beeping. The nurse came in and said, "Well, Sheena, you don't even need me anymore do you..." and laughed.

At the end of her battle, she was still positive...writing letters to her family saying, "I love you. We have a lot of catching up to do..."

I just think about her. Her life. Her fight. Her death.
Helps me put things in perspective.

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Great story VTGal... Definitely shows that suicide is only for the weak, as even her battle with Leukemia didn't get her down.

I personally believe that everyone goes through a tribulation period in their life where things get so bad, you hit rock bottom. That is the time when you're tested to see if you have the strength to go on. My personal tribulation came when my mother passed away and I lost everything after that. I would have been living under a bridge if it hadn't been for one of my friends. I had to stay at his place for 10 months. I was jobless and destitute. He kept a gun in his house and one night, I was just a few steps away from putting a bullet through my head. But something kept me from it. After that, I was able to get my own place, a good job, and now I have a love in my life like I've never had before. I believe that I made it through that and now I'm being rewarded. Things aren't good as they could be, but they're better than they were then. Believe me, if you think about suicide, think again. There is nothing.....I REPEAT, nothing in this world worth taking your own precious life for.

God is the Giver of Life. He alone has the right to take it away from us. Our lives here are only temporary anyway and short enough the way it is. Its what comes after that is the best part. Suicide a sin? I think so, as you are trying to play God by deciding your own fate. I'd rather not take a chance myself. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Good point VTGal. The Little Princess taught all of us many valuable lessons, like how to be a fighter, to have a positive attitude, to never give up, to always trust in God, to face adversity with bravery and faith, to love and cherish family and friends. This time of the year, more than any other, I really miss her. Every time one of the girls ask for a piece of gum, in my mind I hear Sheena's sweet voice once again. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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There is nothing.....I REPEAT, nothing in this world worth taking your own precious life for.

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Amen to that.

I for one have thought about suicide before in my life. There was a time in my life when I would pray to God everynight to please just let me die and not wake up to only feel the hurt and pain I was going through. For one thank God for not answering that prayer, also I was so lost in my own pain that I wasn't thinking about the pain that I would cause my loved ones and children if I had killed myself. I can understand someone hurting so much that they just want to die and not live another day. But If I could say one thing to someone thinking about suicide it would be please don't do it. What ever the circumstances are it is not worth losing your life over. God is the only person that can help when one is at their lonliest and feeling pain. No man has all the answers only God. He can take a heart full of hurt, anger, and confusion and give you a new heart full of hope, peace, and love. So when you feel weak and don't know what else to do then just pray and ask God to intervene in your circumstances. Suicide may be a easy way out but it is not the right way IMO.

I know that it gets bad and it gets hard to feel like you can go on sometimes. It seems like the easiest way, the most simple way would be to end it. It's also the most selfish way. No matter what someone thinks, unless this person is so alone in the world, no family, no friends, no co-workers, no classmates, no neighbors, you're not just affecting yourself, you're affecting each person that comes in contact with you. You're making it all about you. I've also had my fair share of crazy stuff, bad luck, diseases, deaths, addictions, etc in my family and in my life. More than my fair share actually. I think most people have considered it at times, and it is tough, very tough to go on sometimes. The strength that you develop in yourself when you don't give in, when you fight, fight more than you thought you could, dig deeper than you thought you could may not help you today, may not help you tomorrow when something else sucks, but the combined growing and strength that you develop in yourself as you're able to push through that temptation is going to help you.

Is it a sin. In my mind, yes it is. Being religious here, God will not put more on you than you can deal with. The thing is, if you can keep old Satan from working your mind while bad things are going on, you could deal with it easily, it's that other shoulder influence. Now if God doesn't want you to kill yourself (which seems pretty obvious that he wouldn't want to and like was said, you're making yourself God) why would the old devil want you to? Perhaps that he knows that unless some miracle or divine judgement or ask of forgiveness in that last second, you're going to be his. There have been more than a few times that out loud or to myself I have just said get out of my head Satan! I'll sit and try to think of the happiest or best thing I can think of to make it more difficult for him. We've all good memories or good places in our thoughts that we can go to. Go to those or force yourself to start thinking positive just for a few, ask for help from God if you believe, if not, just to yourself say think clearly here, stop letting things beat me. Even if you're not religious, you have that little voice inside you, if you'll listen to it that says hey thats giving in or giving up. Its hard sometimes to hear it due to all the other voices but its there, sometimes you just have to yell shut up to the other voice and say 'help'