There's been no updates for a couple of sets and Five Color just has its rules changed significantly. Aaron - better get cracking on a new deck!
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There's been no updates for a couple of sets and Five Color just has its rules changed significantly. Aaron - better get cracking on a new deck!
Lol! Having no magic cards in this country, I haven't even really been looking. The new 300 rule will cause quite a difference. Wow, that'll be quite a deck redesign...
That's a terrible excuse...Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
I'm playing in two D&D campaigns?
It's getting a little better...=)
Wife constantly using the computer to play WoW so I never have time to even thoroughly read all the new cards? :D
....no....that was by far the worst. Tell Melissa to lay off the World of Warcrack.
And 25 per color too. Do we even have that right now?
Last update was around the beginning of February and the release of Conflux:
Bosh, Iron Golem
Chrome Mox
Darksteel Colossus
Etched Oracle
Fellwar Stone
Gilded Lotus
Masticore
Memory Jar
Mind's Eye
Mox Crystal
Mox Diamond
Nevinyrral's Disk
Scroll Rack
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Sol Ring
Solemn Simulacrum
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sunforger
Tawnos's Coffin
Umezawa's Jitte
Vedalken Orrery
Academy Ruins
Adarkar Wastes
Badlands
Battlefield Forge
Bayou
Bloodstained Mire
Brushland
Caves of Kolios
City of Brass
Flagstones of Trokair
Flooded Strand
Forest
Grand Coliseum
Island
Karakas
Karpulsan Forest
Kor Haven
Krosan Verge
Library of Alexandria
Llanowar Reborn
Llanowar Wastes
Maze of Ith
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Mountain
Murmuring Bosk
Nimbus Maze
Plains
Plateau
Polluted Delta
Reflecting Pool
Savannah
Scrubland
Shivan Reef
Stomping Ground
Strip Mine
Sulfurous Springs
Swamp
Taiga
Terramorphic Expanse
Tolaria West
Tropical Island
Tundra
Undergroud River
Underground Sea
Urborg
Vesuva
Volcanic Island
Volrath's Stronghold
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Yavimaya Coast
Yavimaya Hollow
Zoetic Cavern
Avatar of Woe
Bane of the Living
Damnation
Demonic Collusion
Demonic Tutor
Diabolic Tutor
Guiltfeeder
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Liliana Vess
Living Death
Mortivore
Oversold Cemetary
Recurring Nightmare
Sudden Death
Tortured Existence
Allied Strategies
Ancestral Vision
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Bribery
Bringer of the Blue Dawn
Cunning Wish
Drift of Phantasms
Fabricate
Fact or Fiction
Forbid
Future Sight
Magus of the Jar
Mystical Teachings
Spitting Image
Stroke of Genius
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Tidespout Tyrant
Time Spiral
Tradewind Rider
Willbender
Wonder
Brion Strongarm
Conflux
Doran, the Siege Tower
Eladamri's Call
Hellkite Overlord
Hull Breach
Jund Charm
Kaervek the Merciless
Knight of the Reliqu
Meglonoth
Mirari's Wake
Mystic Enforcer
Oros, the Avenger
Pernicious Deed
Putrefy
Rith, the Awakener
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Simic Sky Swallower
Sol'kanar the Swamp King
Spiritmonger
Sterling Grove
Teneb, the Harvester
Terminate
Vhati il-Dal
Vindicate
Vulturous Zombie
Wooly Thoctar
Dead/Gone
Fire/Ice
Supply/Demand
All Suns' Dawn
Birds of Paradise
Chameleon Colossus
Crop Rotation
Defense of the Heart
Eternal Witness
Genesis
Hermit Druid
Joiner Adept
Shard Convergence
Kodama's Reach
Krosan Tusker
Living Wish
Nantuko Vigilante
Nostalgic Dreams
Pattern of Rebirth
Prismatic Omen
Protean Hulk
Raking Canopy
Recollect
Regrowth
Restock
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scapeshift
Silklash Spider
Silvos, Rogue Elemental
Spike Weaver
Sylvan Library
Sylvan Scrying
Thornscape Battlemage
Tooth and Nail
Treefolk Harbinger
Wall of Blossoms
Yavimaya Elder
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Ancient Grudge
Anger
Arc-slogger
Avatar of Fury
Burning Wish
Fireblast Dragon
Firestorm
Flametounge Kavu
Rakavolver
Recoup
Stigma Lasher
Wheel of Fortune
Academy Rector
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Akroma's Vengeance
Balance
Commander Eesha
Crib Swap
Decree of Justice
Dismantling Blow
Enlightened Tutor
Eternal Dragon
Exalted Angel
Glory
Hallowed Burial
Indomitable Ancients
Land Tax
Magus of the Disc
Martial Coup
Oblation
Orim's Thunder
Path to Exile
Pristine Angel
Ray of Revelation
Reya, Dawnbringer
Rout
Stonehewer Giant
Swords to Plowshares
Tithe
Weathered Wayfarer
Wing Shards
Wrath of God
It may have looked slightly different due to changes made in RL and not discussed via the board.
Now that Aaron is back, I think its about time to start updateing the Essentials. I've compiled a list of cards from Alara Block, M10, Zendikar, and Worldwake that could be playable in the Essentials. And I beleive that the Essentials needs to be updated to the new 5-color rules too.
Shards of Alara
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Bant_Panorama.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Esper_Panorama.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Grixis_Panorama.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Jund_Panorama.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Naya_Panorama.html
Blightning (it is damn good... I'm not using it though...): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Blightning.html
Oblivion Ring (already included for Lorwyn, right?): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Oblivion_Ring.html
Druid of the Anima (fixes two colors, but not better than Skyshroud Elf I'd say): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/D...the_Anima.html
Wild Nacatl: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Wild_Nacatl.html
Hissing Iguanar (this can get kind of silly in multiplayer): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Hissing_Iguanar.html
Relic of Progenitus (some of the best GY hate printed): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/R...rogenitus.html
Arcane Sanctum: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Arcane_Sanctum.html
Crumbling Necropolis: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/C...ecropolis.html
Jungle Shrine: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Jungle_Shrine.html
Savage Lands: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Savage_Lands.html
Seaside Citadel: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Seaside_Citadel.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Bant_Charm.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Esper_Charm.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Grixis_Charm.html
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Jund_Charm.html
Rhox War Monk: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Rhox_War_Monk.html
Sprouting Thrinax: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/S...g_Thrinax.html
Tidehollow Sculler: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/T...w_Sculler.html
Woolly Thoctar: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Woolly_Thoctar.html
Corpse Connoisseur: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/C...nnoisseur.html
Broodmate Dragon: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/B...te_Dragon.html
Cruel Ultimatum: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Cruel_Ultimatum.html
Stoic Angel: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Stoic_Angel.html
Invincible Hymn (I refuse to play it, but it is good): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Invincible_Hymn.html
Knight of the White Orchid: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/K...te_Orchid.html
Ranger of Eos: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Ranger_of_Eos.html
Flameblast Dragon: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/F...st_Dragon.html
Ajani Vengeant: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Ajani_Vengeant.html
Elspeth, Knight-Errant: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/E...ht_Errant.html
Empyrial Archangel: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/E...Archangel.html
Hellkite Overlord: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/H..._Overlord.html
Prince of Thralls: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/P...f_Thralls.html
Rafiq of the Many: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/R..._the_Many.html
Sarkhan Vol: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/Sarkhan_Vol.html
Sharuum the Hegemon: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/S...e_Hegemon.html
Tezzeret the Seeker: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/SA/T...he_Seeker.html
Conflux
Rupture Spire: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Rupture_Spire.html
Armillary Sphere: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/A...ry_Sphere.html
Reliquary Tower (some people really like this): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Reliquary_Tower.html
Path to Exile: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Path_to_Exile.html
Shard Convergence: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/S...nvergence.html
Exotic Orchard: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Exotic_Orchard.html
Inkwell Leviathan: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/I...Leviathan.html
Knight of the Reliquary: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/K...Reliquary.html
Magister Sphinx (at least in the wishboard): http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Magister_Sphinx.html
Martial Coup: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Martial_Coup.html
Meglonoth: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Meglonoth.html
Noble Hierarch: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Noble_Hierarch.html
Obelisk of Alara: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/O..._of_Alara.html
Scepter of Fugue: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/S..._of_Fugue.html
Wall of Reverence: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/W...Reverence.html
Conflux: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Conflux.html
Maelstrom Archangel: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/M...Archangel.html
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/N...neswalker.html
Progenitus: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Progenitus.html
Thornling: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/CF/Thornling.html
Alara Reborn
Architects of Will: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/A...s_of_Will.html
Igneous Pouncer: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Igneous_Pouncer.html
Jhessian Zombies: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/J...n_Zombies.html
Pale Recluse: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Pale_Recluse.html
Qasali Pridemage: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Q...Pridemage.html
Sanctum Plowbeast: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/S...Plowbeast.html
Valley Rannet: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Valley_Rannet.html
Anathemancer: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Anathemancer.html
Bloodbraid Elf: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Bloodbraid_Elf.html
Enlisted Wurm: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Enlisted_Wurm.html
Lorescale Coatl: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Lorescale_Coatl.html
Behemoth Sledge: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Behemoth_Sledge.html
Reborn Hope: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Reborn_Hope.html
Slave of Bolas: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Slave_of_Bolas.html
Bituminous Blast: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/B...ous_Blast.html
Dauntless Escort: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/D...ss_Escort.html
Enigma Sphinx: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Enigma_Sphinx.html
Finest Hour: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Finest_Hour.html
Madrush Cyclops: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Madrush_Cyclops.html
Maelstrom Pulse: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Maelstrom_Pulse.html
Wargate: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Wargate.html
Dragon Broodmother: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/D...oodmother.html
Jenara, Asura of War: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/J...ra_of_War.html
Lord of Extinction: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/L...xtinction.html
Maelstrom Nexus: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Maelstrom_Nexus.html
Sen Triplets: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Sen_Triplets.html
Sphinx of the Steel Wind: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/S...teel_Wind.html
Thraximundar: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/AR/Thraximundar.html
M10
http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/M10/Acidic_Slime.html
www.FindMagicCards.com - Nature s Spiral
www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonskull Summit
www.FindMagicCards.com - Drowned Catacomb
www.FindMagicCards.com - Glacial Fortress
www.FindMagicCards.com - Mind Shatter
www.FindMagicCards.com - Mind Spring
www.FindMagicCards.com - Rootbound Crag
www.FindMagicCards.com - Sunpetal Grove
www.FindMagicCards.com - Baneslayer Angel
www.FindMagicCards.com - Master of the Wild Hunt
Zendikar
Kor Skyfisher: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kor Skyfisher
Mold Shambler: www.FindMagicCards.com - Mold Shambler
Expedition Map: www.FindMagicCards.com - Expedition Map
Explorer's Scope: www.FindMagicCards.com - Explorer s Scope
Arid Mesa: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arid Mesa
Emeria, the Sky Ruin (because why not): www.FindMagicCards.com - Emeria, the Sky Ruin
Marsh Flats: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marsh Flats
Misty Rainforest: www.FindMagicCards.com - Misty Rainforest
Scalding Tarn: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scalding Tarn
Verdant Catacombs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Verdant Catacombs
Day of Judgment: www.FindMagicCards.com - Day of Judgment
Luminarch Ascension (I don't care what Abe says, this is good for the essentials): www.FindMagicCards.com - Luminarch Ascension
World Queller: www.FindMagicCards.com - World Queller
Bloodchief Ascension: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodchief Ascension
Scute Mob: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scute Mob
Rite of Replication (this gets silly): www.FindMagicCards.com - Rite of Replication
Felidar Sovereign: www.FindMagicCards.com - Felidar Sovereign
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen: www.FindMagicCards.com - Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
Obsidian Fireheart: www.FindMagicCards.com - Obsidian Fireheart
Rampaging Baloths: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rampaging Baloths
Sorin Markov: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sorin Markov
Worldwake
Bojuka Bog: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bojuka Bog
Sejiri Steppe: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sejiri Steppe
Arbor Elf: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arbor Elf
Pilgrim's Eye: www.FindMagicCards.com - Pilgrim s Eye
Tectonic Edge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Tectonic Edge
Kor Firewalker: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kor Firewalker
Loam Lion: www.FindMagicCards.com - Loam Lion
Everflowing Chalice: www.FindMagicCards.com - Everflowing Chalice
Basilisk Collar: www.FindMagicCards.com - Basilisk Collar
Celestial Colonnade: www.FindMagicCards.com - Celestial Colonnade
Chain Reaction (I'm trying this, we'll see how it goes): www.FindMagicCards.com - Chain Reaction
Creeping Tar Pit: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/WW/C...Pit.htmlKazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Lavaclaw Reaches: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lavaclaw Reaches
Marshal's Anthem: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marshal s Anthem
Raging Ravine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Raging Ravine
Stirring Wildwood: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stirring Wildwood
Stoneforge Mystic: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoneforge Mystic
Terastodon: www.FindMagicCards.com - Terastodon
Thada Adel, Acquisitor: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thada Adel, Acquisitor
Admonition Angel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Admonition Angel
Comet Storm (this is practically the Ultimate Nightmare of Wizards of the Coast Customer Service): www.FindMagicCards.com - Comet Storm
Dragonmaster Outcast: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonmaster Outcast
Jace, the Mind Sculptor: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Novablast Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Novablast Wurm
Omnath, Locus of Mana: www.FindMagicCards.com - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Wrexial, the Risen Deep: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Edit: added Acidic Slime and the Whole Shards block (for completenetss).
How does Mold Shambler make your list but the better Acidic Ooze, that costs one less and has deathtouch (and -1/-1) doesnt?
What about Shards Block?
Mold Shambler hits planeswalkersQuote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
Anyway, these are suggestions... so add cards you think might be viable as well. acidic slime is pretty good too especially cause of death touch.
I just found out that he missed Alara Reborn, so I will do that later.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
True, but I want to point out that Mold Shambler doesn;t kill artifact creatures, Acidic Slime does.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrr
Neither here nor there, as I think both rock. I thinlk there's room for a great Disenchant effect or two that can also act as card advantage, and Acidic Slime hhas a better chance with deathtouch, but I love the Shambler too
I had actually forgotten it had death touch until I looked it up again last night. So I consider acidic slime added as a contender. Obviously, not every card I listed here will make it in, but we do have 50 more cards to work with now!
Alara Reborn stuff that comes to mind...
Anathemancer - Great late game draw, can come back if drawn early to finish someone
Behemoth Sledge - Armadillo cloak without the inherent drawback of the 2 for 1
Dauntless Escort - saves the team vs. wrath and most other board wipes
Deathbringer Thoctar - same ability as the vulture, but can function as removal as well
Enigma Sphinx - big enough to cascade into bombs, big enough to be a threat
Jenara, Asura of War - mana sink and good size to begin with
Lavalanche - fireball + controlled board wipe...this sucks to be on the recieving end of
Lightning Reaver - gets killed as soon as it gets a counter
Lord of Extinction - really big and scary but needs trample or some other oomph...
Maelstrom Nexus - Cascading everything sounds good to me
Maelstrom Pulse - NO. It gets splash damage to kill your good stuffs too
Mage Slayer - Remember the guys that used to do this? Now you can do it with good creatures
Necromancers Covenant - great late game draw, but terrible after any of the timetwister type things we play
Predatory Advantage - don't laugh, this one is one of those things that look bad until you see it sit in a 3-5 player game and make a horde
Qasali Pridemage - duh...
Sen Triplets - it's like mindslaver, but more fun. Dies way faster too...
Slave of Bolas - another way to steal guys to block and kill
Soul Manipulation - maybe good enough, but I'm not sold on it
Sphinx of the Steel Wind - robo akroma anyone?
Trace of abundance - seems good, but I don't remember how stable the mana is
Unscythe, Killer of Kings - yay for raising an army from someone elses army
Vengeful Rebirth - overcosted regrowth that is also a bolt or more
Wall of Denial - huge and blocks just about everything
Wargate - finds a guy and drops him into play, but kind of pricy mana wise
Winged Coatl - surprise! your guy is dead
the 5 guys with allied color land cycling should all be there if E. Dragon still makes the cut
Remember, I made this list at 1 am and I think more in terms of EDH than I do for 250 anymore. There are some others that I threw into my deck before I dismantled it for EDH that were just terrible.
Okay, I'm going to start work on this again soon. Later this week Mel's laptop comes, so no more sharing computer time. Also, if I can get mine out of the tiny corner it is sitting in I'll feel like spending more time on it.
Okay, I have the current deck. I will post that list when I begin work. My last excel version is about 6 months before we left. It wasn't updated for Shards or Conflux. I do have a list of all the cards that were "left behind" (or taken out) prior to Shards. Those will all likely be up for consideration again.
We'll need to find a copy of the 5-Color banned list prior to the big change over. All of the cards that used to be banned, and now aren't, will likely be up for consideration.
We needed worry about lands that only produce mana. If it does something extra, then we can both to care.
Lastly, should the new 5-Color Essentials remain physical cards only or should it allow proxies? Should the new Essentials play full power? Now that proxies are allowed, shouldn't every 5-Color deck? Or, should the Essentials remain physical cards only as to show the potential of the format without proxies? Should it just show the best of everything and allow them? Questions. Now we need some answers.
Debate on that. We'll get to the lists soon enough.
Plus the new RotE stuff like All is Dust and other goodies that are out there.
Old Ban (Jan 09):
Battle of Wits
Bringer Of The Black Dawn
Crucible of Worlds
Demonic Consultation
Flash
Gifts Ungiven
Holistic Wisdom
Imperial Seal
Insidious Dreams
Intuition
Mystical Tutor
Oath of Druids
Panoptic Mirror
Parallel Thoughts
Phyrexian Portal
Shahrazad
Sundering Titan
Survival of the Fittest
Time Walk
Tinker
Vampiric Tutor
Wild Research
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will
Up for consideration:
Crucible of Worlds
Demonic Consultation
Flash
Gifts Ungiven
Imperial Seal
Intuition
Mystical Tutor
Oath of Druids
Panoptic Mirror
Survival of the Fittest
Time Walk
Tinker
Vampiric Tutor
Wild Research
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will
Well shit, that's a lot to consider.
What? You don't want to play Sundering Titan? Doesn't everyone LOVE that card?
Oh wait, I lied.
But all the cards you listed for consideration I agree with. They are all excellent cards and great late game draws.
So I decided to order a bunch of essentials that I simply didn't have for one reason or another. Here is the list. Grand total $9.94 (including shipping).
Simic Sky Swallower
Tidespout Tyrant
Hallowed Burial
Spitting Image
All Suns' Dawn
Bane of the Living
Arc-Slogger
Indomitable Ancients
Stonehewer Giant
Silklash Spider
Raking Canopy
Hermit Druid
Magus of the Jar
The most current list (as per about 2/09)
Bosh, Iron Golem
Chrome Mox
Darksteel Colossus
Etched Oracle
Fellwar Stone
Gilded Lotus
Masticore
Memory Jar
Mind's Eye
Mox Crystal
Mox Diamond
Nevinyrral's Disk
Scroll Rack
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Sol Ring
Solemn Simulacrum
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sunforger
Tawnos's Coffin
Umezawa's Jitte
Vedalken Orrery
Academy Ruins
Adarkar Wastes
Badlands
Battlefield Forge
Bayou
Bloodstained Mire
Brushland
Caves of Kolios
City of Brass
Flagstones of Trokair
Flooded Strand
Forest
Grand Coliseum
Island
Karakas
Karpulsan Forest
Kor Haven
Krosan Verge
Library of Alexandria
Llanowar Reborn
Llanowar Wastes
Maze of Ith
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Mountain
Murmuring Bosk
Nimbus Maze
Plains
Plateau
Polluted Delta
Reflecting Pool
Savannah
Scrubland
Shivan Reef
Stomping Ground
Strip Mine
Sulfurous Springs
Swamp
Taiga
Terramorphic Expanse
Tolaria West
Tropical Island
Tundra
Undergroud River
Underground Sea
Urborg
Vesuva
Volcanic Island
Volrath's Stronghold
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Yavimaya Coast
Yavimaya Hollow
Zoetic Cavern
Avatar of Woe
Bane of the Living
Damnation
Demonic Collusion
Demonic Tutor
Diabolic Tutor
Guiltfeeder
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Liliana Vess
Living Death
Mortivore
Oversold Cemetary
Recurring Nightmare
Sudden Death
Tortured Existence
Allied Strategies
Ancestral Vision
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Bribery
Bringer of the Blue Dawn
Cunning Wish
Drift of Phantasms
Fabricate
Fact or Fiction
Forbid
Future Sight
Magus of the Jar
Mystical Teachings
Stroke of Genius
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Tidespout Tyrant
Time Spiral
Tradewind Rider
Willbender
Wonder
Brion Strongarm
Conflux
Doran, the Siege Tower
Eladamri's Call
Hellkite Overlord
Hull Breach
Jund Charm
Kaervek the Merciless
Knight of the Reliquary
Meglonoth
Mirari's Wake
Mystic Enforcer
Oros, the Avenger
Pernicious Deed
Putrefy
Rith, the Awakener
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Simic Sky Swallower
Sol'kanar the Swamp King
Spiritmonger
Sterling Grove
Teneb, the Harvester
Terminate
Vhati il-Dal
Vindicate
Vulturous Zombie
Woolly Thoctar
Spitting Image
Dead/Gone
Fire/Ice
Supply/Demand
All Suns' Dawn
Birds of Paradise
Chameleon Colossus
Crop Rotation
Defense of the Heart
Eternal Witness
Genesis
Hermit Druid
Joiner Adept
Kodama's Reach
Krosan Tusker
Living Wish
Nantuko Vigilante
Nostalgic Dreams
Pattern of Rebirth
Prismatic Omen
Protean Hulk
Raking Canopy
Recollect
Regrowth
Restock
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scapeshift
Shard Convergence
Silklash Spider
Silvos, Rogue Elemental
Spike Weaver
Sylvan Library
Sylvan Scrying
Thornscape Battlemage
Tooth and Nail
Treefolk Harbinger
Wall of Blossoms
Yavimaya Elder
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Ancient Grudge
Anger
Arc-slogger
Avatar of Fury
Burning Wish
Firestorm
Flameblast Dragon
Flametounge Kavu
Rakavolver
Recoup
Stigma Lasher
Wheel of Fortune
Academy Rector
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Akroma's Vengeance
Balance
Commander Eesha
Crib Swap
Decree of Justice
Dismantling Blow
Enlightened Tutor
Eternal Dragon
Exalted Angel
Glory
Hallowed Burial
Indomitable Ancients
Land Tax
Martial Coup
Oblation
Orim's Thunder
Path to Exile
Pristine Angel
Ray of Revelation
Reya, Dawnbringer
Rout
Spirit of the Hearth
Stonehewer Giant
Swords to Plowshares
Tithe
Weathered Wayfarer
Wing Shards
Wrath of God
Everything that has been left behind:
Cauldron of Souls
Citanul Flute
Darksteel Ingot
Duplicant
Grinning Totem
Ivory Tower
Journeyer's Kite
Lotus Bloom
Mangara's Tome
Oblivion Stone
Planar Portal
Platinum Angel
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Okina, Temple of Grandfathers
Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
Decree of Pain
Faceless Butcher
Mind Twist
Night Dealings
Rend Flesh
Sudden Spoiling
Tainted Pact
Braingeyser
Compulsion
Dizzy Spell
Greater Morphling
Johnny, Combo Player
Trinket Mage
Captain Sissy
Dimir Infiltrator
Fires of Yavimaya
Loxodon Hierarch
Mystic Snake
Trygon Predator
Cold-Eyed Selkie
Assult/Battery
Order/Chaos
Spite/Malice
Who/What/When/Where/Why
Civic Wayfinder
Deranged Hermit
Far Wanderings
Farseek
Forgotten Ancient
Harrow
Hibernation's End
Hystrodon
Journey of Discovery
Krosan Grip
Land Aid 04
Loaming Shaman
Rampant Growth
Reap and Sow
Search for Tomorrow
Skyshroud Elf
Utopia Tree
Werebear
Worldly Tutor
Ancient Hydra
Fledgling Dragon
Goblin Bombardment
Desolation Giant
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Knollspine Dragon
Starstorm
Chastise
Exile
Gift of Estates
Magus of the Disc
Mangara of Corondor
Seal of Cleansing
Spectral Lynx
Temple Acolyte
Vengeful Dreams
Here's Jason's list with a bit of the more obvious chaff edited out.
[QUOTE=jrr;1819355]Now that Aaron is back, I think its about time to start updateing the Essentials. I've compiled a list of cards from Alara Block, M10, Zendikar, and Worldwake that could be playable in the Essentials. And I beleive that the Essentials needs to be updated to the new 5-color rules too.
Shards of Alara
www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Grixis Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Jund Panorama
www.FindMagicCards.com - Naya Panorama
Wild Nacatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wild Nacatl
Hissing Iguanar (this can get kind of silly in multiplayer): www.FindMagicCards.com - Hissing Iguanar
Relic of Progenitus (some of the best GY hate printed): www.FindMagicCards.com - Relic of Progenitus
Arcane Sanctum: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arcane Sanctum
Crumbling Necropolis: www.FindMagicCards.com - Crumbling Necropolis
Jungle Shrine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jungle Shrine
Savage Lands: www.FindMagicCards.com - Savage Lands
Seaside Citadel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Seaside Citadel
www.FindMagicCards.com - Bant Charm
www.FindMagicCards.com - Esper Charm
Rhox War Monk: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rhox War Monk
Stoic Angel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoic Angel
Invincible Hymn (I refuse to play it, but it is good): www.FindMagicCards.com - Invincible Hymn
Knight of the White Orchid: www.FindMagicCards.com - Knight of the White Orchid
Ranger of Eos: www.FindMagicCards.com - Ranger of Eos
Elspeth, Knight-Errant: www.FindMagicCards.com - Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Empyrial Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Empyrial Archangel
Prince of Thralls: www.FindMagicCards.com - Prince of Thralls
Rafiq of the Many: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rafiq of the Many
Sarkhan Vol: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sarkhan Vol
Conflux
Rupture Spire: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rupture Spire
Armillary Sphere: www.FindMagicCards.com - Armillary Sphere
Reliquary Tower (some people really like this): www.FindMagicCards.com - Reliquary Tower
Exotic Orchard: www.FindMagicCards.com - Exotic Orchard
Inkwell Leviathan: www.FindMagicCards.com - Inkwell Leviathan
Magister Sphinx (at least in the wishboard): www.FindMagicCards.com - Magister Sphinx
Noble Hierarch: www.FindMagicCards.com - Noble Hierarch
Obelisk of Alara: www.FindMagicCards.com - Obelisk of Alara
Wall of Reverence: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wall of Reverence
Maelstrom Archangel: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Archangel
Progenitus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Progenitus
Thornling: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thornling
Alara Reborn
Qasali Pridemage: www.FindMagicCards.com - Qasali Pridemage
Anathemancer: www.FindMagicCards.com - Anathemancer
Bloodbraid Elf: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodbraid Elf
Enlisted Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enlisted Wurm
Lorescale Coatl: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lorescale Coatl
Behemoth Sledge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Behemoth Sledge
Dauntless Escort: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dauntless Escort
Enigma Sphinx: www.FindMagicCards.com - Enigma Sphinx
Madrush Cyclops: www.FindMagicCards.com - Madrush Cyclops
Maelstrom Pulse: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Pulse
Wargate: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wargate
Jenara, Asura of War: www.FindMagicCards.com - Jenara, Asura of War
Lord of Extinction: www.FindMagicCards.com - Lord of Extinction
Maelstrom Nexus: www.FindMagicCards.com - Maelstrom Nexus
Sen Triplets: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sen Triplets
Thraximundar: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thraximundar
M10
www.FindMagicCards.com - Acidic Slime
www.FindMagicCards.com - Nature s Spiral
www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonskull Summit
www.FindMagicCards.com - Drowned Catacomb
www.FindMagicCards.com - Glacial Fortress
www.FindMagicCards.com - Rootbound Crag
www.FindMagicCards.com - Sunpetal Grove
www.FindMagicCards.com - Baneslayer Angel
www.FindMagicCards.com - Master of the Wild Hunt
Zendikar
Kor Skyfisher: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kor Skyfisher
Mold Shambler: www.FindMagicCards.com - Mold Shambler
Expedition Map: www.FindMagicCards.com - Expedition Map
Explorer's Scope: www.FindMagicCards.com - Explorer s Scope
Arid Mesa: www.FindMagicCards.com - Arid Mesa
Emeria, the Sky Ruin (because why not): www.FindMagicCards.com - Emeria, the Sky Ruin
Marsh Flats: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marsh Flats
Misty Rainforest: www.FindMagicCards.com - Misty Rainforest
Scalding Tarn: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scalding Tarn
Verdant Catacombs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Verdant Catacombs
Day of Judgment: www.FindMagicCards.com - Day of Judgment
Luminarch Ascension (I don't care what Abe says, this is good for the essentials): www.FindMagicCards.com - Luminarch Ascension
Bloodchief Ascension: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bloodchief Ascension
Scute Mob: www.FindMagicCards.com - Scute Mob
Rite of Replication (this gets silly): www.FindMagicCards.com - Rite of Replication
Rampaging Baloths: www.FindMagicCards.com - Rampaging Baloths
Sorin Markov: www.FindMagicCards.com - Sorin Markov
Worldwake
Bojuka Bog: www.FindMagicCards.com - Bojuka Bog
Tectonic Edge: www.FindMagicCards.com - Tectonic Edge
Everflowing Chalice: www.FindMagicCards.com - Everflowing Chalice
Chain Reaction (I'm trying this, we'll see how it goes): www.FindMagicCards.com - Chain Reaction
Creeping Tar Pit: http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/WW/C...Pit.htmlKazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs: www.FindMagicCards.com - Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Marshal's Anthem: www.FindMagicCards.com - Marshal s Anthem
Raging Ravine: www.FindMagicCards.com - Raging Ravine
Stoneforge Mystic: www.FindMagicCards.com - Stoneforge Mystic
Terastodon: www.FindMagicCards.com - Terastodon
Thada Adel, Acquisitor: www.FindMagicCards.com - Thada Adel, Acquisitor
Dragonmaster Outcast: www.FindMagicCards.com - Dragonmaster Outcast
Novablast Wurm: www.FindMagicCards.com - Novablast Wurm
Wrexial, the Risen Deep: www.FindMagicCards.com - Wrexial, the Risen Deep
The deck will need around 36 non-land additions.
I think we need to start by pointing out weaker cards in the current deck and picking out must have cards from the new sets.
My first vote on weaker cards is Firestorm. I feel like 90% of the time when I have it sitting I wish it was anything else or I could cycle it away or something. Sure its 1 mana, but by the time its useful I generally have 7-10 available. It just doesn't really do a lot, even if I have a Wonder or Riftstone Portal in my hand... it feels like too much of a liability to use it except in dire circumstances.
I was about to pull Firestorm from my deck. I've used that card maybe twice in the two years of having it.
Another card(s) that Jason and I have talked about are the wishes. We both stated that if it's a good enough sorcery, or land, or whatever, that it should already be in the deck. So if you have it, I would like to see the wish board for those cards.
The last update of the wishboard (like 7/08)
Name
Silent Arbiter
Viridian Shaman
Draco
Rorix Bladewing
Duplicant
Bone Shredder
Sunscape Battlemage
Goretusk Firebeast
Shard Phoenix
Aven Cloudchaser
Loaming Shaman
Mystic Snake
Avalanche Riders
Ancestor's Chosen
Verdeloth the Ancient
Verdant Force
Caller of the Claw
Desolation Giant
Desolation Angel
Balthor the Defiled
Karmic Guide
Platinum Angel
Izzet Chronarch
Artifact Mutation
Shatter
Krosan Grip
Naturalize
Disenchant
Chastise
Desertion
Wipe Away
Recoil
Crosis's Charm
Remove Soul
Capsize
Stonewood Invocation
Agonizing Demise
Tsabo's Decree
Order/Chaos
Grab the Reins
Betrayal of Flesh
Wrecking Ball
Fling
Dead/Gone
Aura Mutation
Krosan Reclamation
Dissipate
Last Word
Congregate
Beacon of Immortality
Evacuation
Urza's Rage
Fault Line
Tempest of Light
Squall Line
Corpse Dance
Deflection
Shunt
Stifle
Price of Progress
Final Fortune
Fork
Reiterate
Angel's Grace
Diabolic Edict
Circular Logic
Splinter
Detonate
Dust to Dust
Temporal Eddy
Aether Mutation
Eradicate
Death Mutation
Threaten
Fireball
Pyrotechnics
Buried Alive
Life from the Loam
Duress
Cranial Extraction
Mind Twist
Stone Rain
Denying Wind
Shatterstorm
Pyroclasm
Earthquake
Plague Wind
Final Judgement
Tranquility
Multani's Decree
Huricane
Armageddon
Twilight's Call
Pure/Simple
Zombify
Beacon of Unrest
Desert Twister
Traumatize
Coalition Victory
Relentless Assault
Barter in Blood
Haunting Echoes
Morality Shift
Aether Snap
Obliterate
The wish board allows a tool box. Certain situational cards. When you need them, you need them, but they're not good enough to pack main deck. For example, any X burn spell. Without a wish, you really have to waste a spot for that just in case burn.
Ah okay, I didn't know that the wish board was that big. And I feel like Life from the Loam should be main decked...holy amazing card.
Life from the Loam is likely to be main decked. I can't recall why it wasn't before. Perhaps it was banned sometime prior?
For my part the discussions about wishes was that I do not have a very good wishboard (or any wish board) as of right now, so they are underwhelming. Perhaps I should start building one to make it worth while, but I just never took the time or (small amount of) cash to build it.
Shit, wishboards are cheap. It's all situational stuff. Heck, you probably have situational stuff in your main deck that you could move to the board.
Perhaps it is time for Firestorm to join the wishboard. Its use has typically been very situational. But when it works, boy does it ever. It has been quite a valuable card at times past.
Mortivore might be replaceable with something else that is stupid graveyard cool. Perhaps something with inherent trample? (If such a thing exists). The regeneration isn't typically useful due to the regular size of a Mortivore.
Does the deck need Recollect, Regrowth, Restock, and Recoup?
Other than that, there just aren't a lot of obvious weak links. I guess the we have to look at what the proper amount of each thing is. We have an idea for the percentage of land/land fix, but what about the number of artifact destruction cards? Is there too many? Is Ancient Grudge needed? Ect....
The deck is already running way over the normal allotment of land fix. Increasing to 300 should be doable without any additional fixing what-so-ever.
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Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
The better the cards in the deck, the better thing s like Restock and Regrowth become.
Plus, the RoTE cards coming out soon.
I know. RotE is only a few weeks from release. However, doing the grunt work on all the cards prior to the set means it'll be a lot easier to just analyze that when it hits. It was always easier to update the deck on a set by set basis.
Now though, there's a lot of missed sets and a size increase. That's a lot to consider, especially when the deck doesn't have many obviously weak cards. We have to look for things that are either fundamentally better than a card already in the deck, or just too damned good to miss.
How do you feel about the power issue?
Personally, I'd steer clear of fake cards other than Mox Crystal
cards unbanned and available:
Gifts Ungiven
Intutition
Imperial Seal
Vampiric Tutor
Mystical Tutor
Panoptic Mirror
Survival of the Fittest
Tinker
Wild Research
Yawgmoth's Will
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Demonic Consultation
Might want to consider some of those as well.
Oh, and Contract is now legal in non-ante formats. You just don;t ante.
Also, 250, the format splintered from teh old Five Color, has successfully unbanned for months Phyrexian Mirror and Parallel Thoughts without problem. Only 6 cards are in common on both lists - Battle of Wits, Sundering Titan, Shahrazad, Insidious Dreams, Holistic Wisdom, and Bringer of the Black dawn.
Wait a sec, Contract is now one black, discard your hand, and draw 7!? That's insane. Also it solves that regrowing question :D
Read about the proxies thread. We've been talking about Essentials and Budget Essentials.