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called the fool and the company,
on his own where he'd rather be...
where he ought to be, he sees what you can't see,
can't you see that?

maybe he's caught in the legend,
maybe he's caught in the mood.
maybe these maps and legends...
have been misunderstood?

down the way the road's divided,
aint me the places you have seen.
those who know what i don't know...
refer to the yellow, red and green?

he's not to be reached...
he's to be reached...

the map that you painted didn't seem real.
he just sings whatever he's seen.
point to the legend, point to the east,
point to the yellow, red and green

maps and legends...
is he to be reached?
he's not to be reached.

he's not to be reached anymore...

I'm sorry, but that struck me as horribly gay!

apparently you are unfamiliar with genius

Genius has it's limits [img]wink.gif[/img]
besides, i see no genius here.

*repeat previous post*

Hmmmm. You didn't strike me as a REM listener shatzy.

*gags

just because a person has strokes of genius doesn't mean everything they do can be considered genius...so, familiar or not..... it doesn't make this genius

hahahahaa... i've been listening to REM as much
as i have listened to robert smith.

the problem with admitting you listen to REM is
the fact that REM ... no, scratch that....
michael stipe has basically made an ass out of
himself (and in advertantly, the rest of the band)
starting in the early 90s... by basically becoming
so fucking commercial.

i originally overlooked this issue and marked
stipe as a trite individual that has forgotten
his roots. his arrogancy and self-centeredness
has caused me to revert to the closet when
listening to them. secondly... when the issue
of stipe's sexuality came into play (again in the
90's)... it made me want to wretch.

losing my religion was the marker.

at first i convinced myself that the sudden
rush to 'artistic' fame for the video/song
was merely their deserved desserts after a long
haul (decade) of being side-lined....
but i was wrong.

my justification -- for what then became the drab
commercialization of REM -- was stupid. michael
stipe lunged at the chance to sport any promotion
that would hail his name as 'edgy' and 'pure'...
(which, incidentially, is what happened to
that dumbfuck eddie vedder... blah).

sporting a fucking NIKE hat at his public appearances
and drinking fucking pepsi was NOT what the
standard of REM began as.

in addition to this, the submission of the other
bandmates to his self-propigated godhood, michael
stipe became solely recognized AS REM....
which over-shadowed the other band members.

this pissed me off.
michael stipe has his abilities... but in no
way is he the life-blood of REM. mike mills,
as stated on another thread, is whom i consider
to be THE key member of REM... as well as
peter buck... whom hardly gets any recognition
next to michael stipe...

mills gets recognition but only as a supporting
member to stipe.

screw that!

when listening to REM, i have noticed (for a while
now) that i deliberately avoid any and all
stipe-isms and direct my attention moreso to
the other aspects of the recordings.

blah... no one cares.

i'm sorry this has rambled on and on....
but i've had it built up inside for about 13 years
and have only just received the chance to empty
myself of these thoughts.

REM is fabulous....
if you can get over the bullshit.

ps... i adore stipe.

and to gary and hanny....

as musicians yourselves... it would be highly
suggested that you overlook that pompous attitude
and delve into BETTER listenings to mills and buck.

a talent lies there...

Unlike Hanny, I don't have kind words for REM.
However, I will applaud you for sticking with them.
Some of the same things could be said about Metallica.
I however jumped ship, and no longer listen to them.
("Load of shit" did me in)
Though “black” was the downfall...

Let's not get started on Metallica..
yea, they're pretty much drowned rats now.....
but back in the day, they were cream of the crop.
the black album was good. Load was good, but most people didn't like it because they were "branching out" and searching a different avenue of music.
The music was still theoretically sound, and the instrumentation skilled, however it was a different sound and feel altogether, which most people blindly labled as "bad music" which it wasn't, it was simmply different.

Kinda like you, Hanny.

Not "Bad"...just "different".

imo, there was only one good metallica album...

of course you mean "Ride the Lightning"
......RIGHT SHATZY!!!!!!!

*stares hard*

Hmmm, i feel sort of music-incompetent now [img]eek.gif[/img]

Metallica? They just sing about cutting their hair.

Hey, if you check my board, I did end up proving that!!!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I happen to have a few REM cd's...
I have listened to them time and again.
So much so, I know the songs, can sing them, and even play a few.
I am aware of the musical ability of all bands that I have a cd of.
And even most that I do not [img]wink.gif[/img]
Such Blink 182..... does anyone need a cd to say they suck? Nope!
Everyone knows they suck!
And you made mention of Eddie Vedder... no suprise there, he sucks too!
Anyways.
I happen to like REM despite your diatribe to the contrary, which, was kind of to the contrary, yet kind of not. Really riding the fence on this issue it seems.
As I do often and whole heartedly. *thumbs up*
Well, if you'll excuse me, i have to go finish building my REM shrine out of toothpics in the corner of my room~

metallica is my favourite band of all time ever and i have to say master of puppets was their best album but i have huge respect and love for every song they have ever written and released. Their best line up incidently was (i feel) on master of puppets and ride the lightning... Lars, Hets, Kirk, and Burton... I dont feel they ever sold out as was mentioned earlier they did branch but i dont think they ever sold out, ok they went somewhat more commercial but then again they have always been willing to do whatever pleased them and fuck the rest. S&M was also a truely great album that should live on forever (i hope) it was similar to what deep purple did in that they played with a symphony orchestra but Deep Purple rewrote all their songs for that concert where as metallica did not. It really frustrates me when people say they are fans of metallica but dont like what they did from Metallica Metallica onwards (most of the time including that album, and a note to all it is not metallica black its metallica metallica) those people are not true metallica fans.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by The 4 Horsemen 11:
those people are not true metallica fans.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I believe I said I wasn't a Metallica fan...

Master of puppets, in my eyes is their best album...
of course.. Ride the lightning was good too, but I lost that album years ago, never to find it again... so I haven't heard it in such a long time, it'd be wrong of me to say I remember the specifics of teh album itself.

aye aye... master of puppets

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Zakk Wylde Wannabe:
Yes, I believe I said I wasn't a Metallica fan...</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>


i wasnt talking specifically to you i meant all the people in the world who say they are metallica fans but dont like them before metallica metallica or dont like them after metallica metallica sorry it wasnt aimed at you

<font color="#6699ff" size="1">[ June 04, 2003 07:44 PM: Message edited by: The 4 Horsemen 11 ]</font>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
aye aye... master of puppets</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

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