timelapses

**Nigel** · June 11th, 2004, 08:52 PM

Alex--

I said "Your 1014xls"...

Really I think it is best for you to cut your losses and just bow out. The fact is that all a director needs to do is use words to describe what she wants and then ask if it can be done...

He doesn't need to buy anything--Especially not a Super8 camera.

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 05:06 AM

Nigel, nice try.

I guess the links I provided and the conversations that your fellow peers have about problems that come up when doing time-lapse mean nothing. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

You only know what you have done also. Unless you give Big Masi the exact way to proceed, your harping on my contributions is pointless. I am pointing out that it would be wise to not experiment when doing time-lapse because one can waste so much time for stuff that ends up being flawed, as was also noted in the last link I proved called light leaks.

And whether or not I am a DP by your interpretation, I have shot both on film and video for a long time and I stand by all of my work, I have been paid for my work, and won awards for stuff I shot.

Time exposure is a specialty of mine and you look pretty stupid trying to discredit me when I have pictures posted on my website that many people don't have a clue on how I created.

I also have an "edge" over people who do 16mm and 35mm time-exposure and time-lapse who can't view their image when their shutter is open.

I've learned a heck of a lot by being able to view the image I am time-exposing because Super-8mm allows that luxury. Time-exposure in 16mm and 35mm can be quite annoying when the viewfinder is closed because the shutter is opened. Yeah, yeah, there are workarounds, rack over viewfinders etc...

Kind of a bulky way to learn, don't ya think?

**Nigel** · June 12th, 2004, 06:04 AM

Alex--

You have based everything you have said on what you have read--Not what you have done.

You said that intervolometers are complicated.....They aren't.

You said that shutter speeds are limited to 1/8 of second....They aren't.

You said that Super8 cameras can do more than 16/35....They can't.

You have only posted examples from what you have read and not what you have done.

The examples are only worth while if you are using the set-up discussed in the examples. I haven't used a Norris Intervolometer in years because they were shitty. I have used an Arri 35 III and with the right stuff for the right shot it could be a great timelapse camera. The shutter speeds are dependant on the camera/intervolometer combination.

You are spewing shit to these people that you only know about by reading cases off the internet. It is time you just sit down and stay quiet. Timelapse is not hard with any camera and what you know does not come from doing but reading.

With the amount of time you spend here I am surprised you shoot at all--Then again maybe you shoot nothing but your mouth off.

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 01:43 PM

Nigel, you are spewing.

Here is what you could have said that would be worthy of a moderator and not some punk with an axe to grind.

"As Alex said, 16mm and 35mm time-lapse and time-exposure can be problematical if you haven't done it before, However I have done it before and I used the following..."

Now Nigel, if you cannot give big masi an exact error-free procedure to follow, then shut up. (expletive avoided)

I've shot more time-lapse than most, and your continued denial at all the links I provided and my own experience doing both time-lapse and time-exposure does not bode well for you as a moderator.

[ June 12, 2004 10:44 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Nigel:
Alex--

You have based everything you have said on what you have read--Not what you have done.

What a liar. Of course I've done time-lapse. Years ago I did extensive research for doing time-lapse and time-exposure in 16mm & 35mm.

Unless I was going to do it full time, it was too big of an investment to get LESS than what I could with my Super-8 camerassssss...

Yes, plural, as I can set up up to 5 time-lapse Super-8 cameras by myself.

Originally posted by Nigel:

You said that intervalometers are complicated.....They aren't.

Of course they are, when you have to hook one up to a 16mm and 35mm camera. You have to choose the right combination and the right intervalometer for the right camera. And then one is still constrained to what that specific intervalometer can do.

Originally posted by Nigel:

You said that shutter speeds are limited to 1/8 of second....They aren't.

Pretty darn close. I said the SPEED of the shutter is limited to 1/8 of a second, on a Norris intervalometer it is limited to either 1/8 or 1/16th of second.

Originally posted by Nigel:

You said that Super8 cameras can do more than 16/35....They can't.

They can't, is that your answer? Oh, because Nigel, who hasn't shot with time-lapse and time-exposure with the Super-8 cameras that I have, says Super-8 cameras can't do as much as 16mm or 35mm, it must be true.

Originally posted by Nigel:

You have only posted examples from what you have read and not what you have done.

What an idiotic statement to make. The "examples" of my filming results are readily available on my website. Which you have yet to comment on.

Originally posted by Nigel:

The examples are only worth while if you are using the set-up discussed in the examples.

Well duh, the links I provided simply illustrate that it isn't a walk in the park to get good time-exposure and time-lapse.

Originally posted by Nigel:

I haven't used a Norris Intervolometer in years because they were shitty.

I'd like to see you say that to Mr. Norris. Nigel, it sounds like you are saying
that one must be careful and pick and choose the right time-lapse combinations when shooting time-lapse and time-exposure in 16mm and 35mm.

Originally posted by Nigel:
I have used an Arri 35 III and with the right stuff for the right shot it could be a great timelapse camera.

Wow, that sure was specific. Kind of sounds like you have never actually shot time-lapse with it.

Originally posted by Nigel:
The shutter speeds are dependant on the camera/intervolometer combination.

They are also dependent on whether the camera was even designed to do time-lapse or not. Many if not all 35mm and 16mm camera motors were designed to run steady at 24 frames per second and gave no consideration to doing single frame, time-lapse, and definetely not for shooting time-exposure.

Originally posted by Nigel:

You are spewing shit to these people that you only know about by reading cases off the internet.

You are dripping diarhea where none needs to be dripped.

Originally posted by Nigel:
It is time you just sit down and stay quiet.

Off with their heads!

Originally posted by Nigel:
Timelapse is not hard with any camera and what you know does not come from doing but reading.

Wrong again, I've posted still images and stories about shooting time-exposure on my website.

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With the amount of time, hmmm. how many posts have I made on this forum in the last month besides this topic. Probably about 5 or 6.

You are a very poor excuse for a moderator, that is quite evident. But then our m***** friend installed you as a puppet moderator anyway.

[ June 12, 2004 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Nigel:
Alex--

I said "Your 1014xls"...

I know what you said, you cited a very poor example when it comes to time-lapse and Super-8 camers. The Canon 814XLS & 1014XLS are among the best Super-8 Cameras ever made, but they are not among the best time-lapse Super-8 cameras ever made, yet you mentioned that specific camera when discussing Super-8 time-lapse which just proves your complete ignorance on the Super-8 side of this discussion.

So Nigel, now we are supposed to believe that 35mm and 16mm cameras do everything better, (and easier!) than Super-8 cameras even though Super-8 cameras come with built in features not found on 99% percent and perhaps 100 percent of 16mm and 35mm cameras.

If I get bored I may look up the topics that address the difficulty and mystery of using 16mm and 35mm cameras for time-exposure and time-lapse.

Perhaps you can enlighten your fellow cinematographers who seem to know a whole lot less than you.

Several of the images on my Super-8mm.net website are of the time-exposure type, and have led to me getting a check for my work even as my film competed against Digital projects and other film formats.

Where has your time-exposure work been screened Nigel?

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 03:19 PM

Here is a link wherein several DP's discuss what went wrong on a time-lapse shoot. It can make one's head spin as each cinematographer has their own theory.

Time-Lapse Problems

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 03:26 PM

Maybe you can help these people out Nigel,

Time Lapse Problems-1

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 03:31 PM

Shooting time-lapse in Super-8 would allow filmmakers to apply that experience to their more "serious" jobs without having to guess at the result.

Practicing with Super-8 time lapse would have helped the person who posed this question...

[ June 12, 2004 12:34 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]

**Alex** · June 12th, 2004, 03:33 PM

And this one speaks EXACTLY of what I said initially...

Light Leaks

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