Doubles?

[Anders Baarts]

Originally posted by palmerlouie:


[..] dont stop when it starts to hurt....when that happens, thats just the beginning....keep going![...]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No!, never continue when it hurts (you can damage your self for good!). Take a break - often 5 - 10 min. is enough [img]wink.gif[/img]

[palmerlouie]

its not actual pain.....just the muscles burning. If you dont play thru this, you wont progress.

[FlamTriplet]

Originally posted by palmerlouie:
no, im sorry if i sound aggressive. i dont mean to be.

but seriously, there is NO special method or anything.

set a click and start off nice and slow and play RR LL. Practice it heel up and heel down and look for evenness....forget speed its not even worth thinking about.

dont just do doubles tho. practicing lots of different things will end up helping your doubles. play paradiddles, flams, RLL RLL, groups of 5, 6, 7. practice singles heel down....that'll get the muscles working.

dont stop when it starts to hurt....when that happens, thats just the beginning....keep going!

with the heel up....try not to use too much leg....its just ankle when the speeds increase or when doubles are used. leg is just used for a little extra power....

you dont need a bass drum to practice all this stuff....just sit on the stool and do the ankle motion on the floor.....that will help you understand the motion more.

that better....? [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, if you are into speed, you must use your legs. Your legs have more powerful muscles than your ankles. The thing is, when you play fast, you must stabilize your strokes, and your upper leg muscles are the ones to do it. You can't use the complete motion of the pedal, you must start when the pedal is a bit pressed. Kinda like when you hit the drums, you don't always have your stick 90 degrees up for striking. Also, when playing accents, the upper leg muscles are very important, as well as the hips.
Try a leg/ankle motion, or leg/toe. Not heel toe, but leg toe----see what happens.
When I play fast, I practically use my whole body.

[jimi]

Burn and pain are two different things here i think, and i do agree with Louie about not using much leg AT FIRST, but it does come into play later as the you get the speed increases, and volume decreases.
The one absolute bitch with the doubles is even-ness ...

[Pedro G]

I?m not an expert on this subject, but for me, the best exercice is to try accent the FIRST note of the doubles, that?s usually the weakest and the one that need more work, at least for me
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[Kurt R]

Originally posted by Pedro G:
I?m not an expert on this subject, but for me, the best exercice is to try accent the FIRST note of the doubles, that?s usually the weakest and the one that need more work, at least for me
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How is the first note the weakest? For me with my hands accenting the second note is alot harder then the first in doubles. What ever works works but I've never heard of the first note the weakest.

[Pedro G]

I agree with you Kurt, in the hands the second stroke is the difficult one, but the feet work in a very different way. Just try to do doubles in the bass drum accenting the first note and you?ll understand.... (or maybe I?m getting crazy [img]confused.gif[/img] )

The goal is to get an even sounding roll, so if you feel that your second stroke is the weakest, just try to accent that [img]biggrin.gif[/img] .

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 31, 2004 05:36 PM: Message edited by: Pedro G ]</font>

[peter c]

When you are doing doubles, with the
hands, are you managing the first or
the second stroke more? This is good
question to ask.

Consider that your first strokes are the
most powerful and when you make your
adjustments, ask yourself if you are try-
ing to bring your second strokes up OR
your first strokes down. I believe that it's
the latter and that applies to kick too.

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[Andy Edwards]

I use the slide method to play doubles and I demonstrate it here...

http://www.andyedwardsmusic.com/d_bass.htm

here is are some tips I found useful...

When you start concentrate on independence first.
I used this exercise:
play rrll with feet and over the top with hands play

rlrl x16
rrll x16
rrr lll x16
rrrr llll x16
rrrrrr lllll x16

learn to say it before you play it.

once you can do this your feet will be pretty familiar with this pattern

this may help with building speed...

there is a certain speed you need to practice at that really gets results.
If you are sliding to get the double it is the tempo between sliding and playing two distinct strokes. (ie the speed between two singles and a double...if that makes sense)