Moeller

[chris perra]

sounds like your on the right track rudy. to me the moller is a great tool. i initially gravitated towards it for the need for speed. over time i wind up using it for almost everything.

my hands have less fatigue and i find my timing is better overall. it does feel way different to control vs straight wrist movements.

for me it's almost like trying to ride a bike at a steady speed, you don't pull the pedals back up, you have to wait till it reaches the crest and push again. at different tempos this feels different.

i had too work out the timing of the wrist movement in conjunction with the pressure of the fingers. they go hand in hand. it takes awhile. but once you get it down it's way more consistant.

i think this is because you're working with the natural physics or the stick rather than controlling the whole motion moreso with the wrist


chris perra

[Lee Collins]

Thanks chris, andy, fuse, bozzio, etc, terrific replies which I'm very grateful for. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

[FuseU1]

Yeah, you guys are "onto it" [img]wink.gif[/img]
Nice post again, Chris, esp that bike pedal thing, i hadnt thought of it in that way.

[matricks]

How the Moeller stroke, along with any other good technique, helps my time is that it basically gives me more efficient and more user friendly tools in which to get my ideas out of my head and into the ears of others. The funny thing about the Moeller stroke is how Jim teaches it; it is quiet different from one of the fundemental building blocks that Gruber uses, however they are means to the same technical ends. Gruber focuses on playing "on" the surface of the head and not playing "through" it. Jim, on the other hand, wants you to think of playing "though" the head so that you will get the desired effect by means of proper rebound of the stick. Although I don't believe he actually wants you to play "through" the head, he uses it as a teaching tool to get one to feel how it feels to have the stick rebound fully, with good velocity, instead of somehow possibly not keeping the momentum of the stick flowing all the way to the head (letting up on the stroke speed, possibly, to therefore play "on" the head). After that, one can shift their mental picture of "where" to play once they use that little trick to understand part of the technique. Another interesting thing that Jim told me was to never practice Moeller in your playing on the kit, as in when you are working on other things, such as independence or facility around the kit, etc... He said practice it as it's own entity and let it find it's way into your playing instead of focusing on making fit into your playing. Reason being it tends to be taken out of context or twisted when one doesn't spend enough time on it by itself and tries to bring it to their playing on the set before they fully grasp it. When you take it on it's own it will, by path of least resistance, integrate into your playing where it should. What can I say, he is right! As far as everything you said, you sound like you got it down! I just thought I would offer a little more just for extra stuff to reads' sake.
Good luck!