What's everyones thoughts ?
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What's everyones thoughts ?
Lebanon is pretty terrible from what I gather, Central had a good game with them at the Jamboree at John I. Burton few weeks ago, so Id say this one will be over by half time.
Union 35, Lebanon 13
Lebanon by 21+
UHS overlooking them and will get shocked.
If the Honaker/Lebanon game is any indication, Lebanon might win three or four games this year.
Lebanon is not very good this year. Nobody really is though. This is the absolute worst SWVA football has ever been. There's not a team west of Wytheville worth a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotSoSilentBob
How is Clintwood this year compared to the past few years? Are they down in just about every aspect of the game? I've wondered about how Burton is doing, too, since I haven't seen them play. I know they destroyed Rye Cove, but that isn't exactly an unexpected result. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when Clintwood and Burton play Union just to get a better sense of how these teams compare versus one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironlung
Down significantly. They're decent but would lose to last years team by 3-5 TD's and the two teams before that one could name a score. They have no depth and the offense is a major work in progress right now. The QB will be good but he's still growing into his first time as a starter. He made a lot of improvement last week. They commit too many penalties and turn the ball over too much. Sadly, all of that is good enough to get them first or second in the LPD.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWVA-Football
I think depending on how the John I. Burton / Lee game goes we'll get an idea of their physicality at Union anyway, after the game We had with Lee they are Big and Physical. Burton usually plays Physical, but I've heard they are as small as an 8th Grade Team, anyone seen them yet? Burton always seems to be a Front Runner the last few years anyway, but noobdy is on here talking the usual Burton smack, which gets me concerned.
Not that small but I have seen bigger jv teams.Quote:
but I've heard they are as small as an 8th Grade Team,
When has Burton ever been BIG on the LOS the O they run is designed to mask that weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trenchman
After Lee played Union tight there has been a rush to crown them the best Lee team since the early 90's IMHO I need anoth week or 2 before jumping on the band wagion becouse up to this point all they have done is beat a Div 1 middle of the pack Cumberland school.
IMHO the rain helps Lee ALOT but I still think Burton wins by 2 TDs
As for Lebanon ve Union......So far Lebanon has shown that they struggle to stop the run and are down on the other side of the ball as well IMHO Union wins BIG
IMO Union wins this game easy, they may overlook them slightly but from what I've heard it doesn't matter Lebanon is weak. Lebanon beat Grundy but Grundy struggled to beat twin valley. Union by 2tds at least.
On the topic of Clintwood, like has already been mentioned, they are down but they are struggling with injuries with a couple players playing injured and a couple more starters on the sideline. Hopefully with an open week and rest those players can get healthy which will make a difference. Still not saying they will be great though but maybe just good enough to win against some tough opponents.
As for Clintwood I stick with my 1st view of them .....There starters are just as good as last years starters however they are NOT nearly as deep as last years team and it shows......IMHO the open week comes at a good time for CW as (Barring further injurys) they should get a few starters back for a Grayson Co team that is cutting through its oppenats this year like a hot knife through butterQuote:
Originally Posted by fballfan
Exactly, your talking about a bunch that played for the state title and had maybe one player on the line that I would call an "lineman".Quote:
When has Burton ever been BIG on the LOS the O they run is designed to mask that weakness.
Union has played two close games. They need a convincing win over lebanon to prove that they're among the better teams in the region. They shouldn't overlook lebanon. Overconfidence only leads to underperformance. We need a big convincing win. The question in my mind is whether Union's slow moving turnover prone offense can really lay it on lebanon. Union's running backs lack breakaway speed. We've gotta pound them into exhaustion. Destroy Lebanon!
By all accounts Lebanons D is soft IMHO Union should put up a ton of points (After 2 close games the younger kids on the team should see plenty of Playing time)Quote:
Originally Posted by lpd_observer
I agree with the slowmoving and lack of break away speed. Barker is a tank and hard to bring down, Davis has the best ball carrier vision I have ever seen for a sophmore but both of em cant get loose from the secondary. But hey when you stack 22 players in a 10 yeard area its hard to break a big run. I look for them to put up some good numbers tonight but they need to spread the offence out and get the defences away from putting 10 guys in the boxQuote:
Originally Posted by lpd_observer
Well, that game plan of jumbo set t formation did NOT change and lebanon did a good job of containing the running game last night. IMO the bears are goin to have to spread out the offense. I formation trips left and trips right won alot of state championships. With the type of talent we (Union) has I think they could run the I all day long. We have tall recievers that need to be on the field every snap to get all the DB's out of the box so Barker and Davis can run. Plus bootleg passes are easier to do when you keep a reciever on the field every down instead of pass plays only. Union needs to open up that offence IMO
mid 90's. LOL. the joke in Norton is that we don't know how to grow "big ol boys".Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
You're forgetting who the coach is. He was born and raised on the T and that's what you're going to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
Phill robbins was raised on the wing T but 7 state championships later the I formation proved to be the winning formula. Tom Turner would utilize his players. When Travis Clark was the running back they ran alot of I formation. When Josh Mabe was QB they ran alot of the I formation. you have to utilize your players to win championships simple as that. Union needs to be more open with the game plans Jumbo set T stacks too many in the box to run up the gut. If you dont believe me play ncaa 2012 and try it hahaha
I agree with that. I think seeing Travis try to live and die with the I or anything other than the T is like trying to teach a pig to walk on it's hind legs.
Appy ran very little I with Mabe or Clark. Maybe once every 200 plays.
That's what I thought as well.
they sure didnt Jumbo set t formation with them did they. Every time i played appy (99 00 01 and 02) plus when i watched Travis Clark run they ran more I than once every 200 plays.
I played them in 94 and they ran nothing but the T.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
At times Tom tinkered with other formations, sometimes quite a bit. One year they ran a lot of stuff out of a sort of power I set with a pair of 300+ pound twins in the backfield. It was not designed to spread anybody out though :)
Travis is a very young and very inexperienced coach. It's my feeling that he is also going to be a very good coach. Nobody needs to be too critical of him, he is learning on the job I'm sure. IMO he has made some mistakes but not nearly as many as you would expect a coach that young and that inexperienced to make. He has also done some things very, very well and I think given time he will establish himself as a top tier high school coach.
I agree with this. Let's be honest, he has made quite a few mistakes this year. The time management issues HAVE to be addressed and fixed going forward and the lack of offensive diversity will kill them against better teams. But Turner is a very young guy taking over the most storied program this side of Hampton after all this consolidation mess, all at his FIRST head coaching job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
My biggest complaint (other than clock management) has been the offensive sets and playcalling. He is not taking advantage of all his players' strengths. The T is GREAT for Barker, it fits his style. But Davis is a quicker, more athletic back with more speed. Run some I or single back, run some sweeps and tosses, let Davis get outside and use his athletic ability.
That was the Meyers twins in 94. He'd hand them the ball and it was impossible to stop them. When it was the Travis's though, it was almost always the T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
Turner was qb in 94. Clark played some corner and halfback that year. The "I" I can recall was two power backs , one lined up a step closer to the LOS than the fullback. In the time I watched Tom coach, there was very few I plays, most of them in the last year or two. I really don't see what the gripe is, when Appy had the kids to run it, Tom ran a spread or shotgun several times a game. The trick is , most people don't see enough of practice to have an idea of what can be run. The last state game, I heard people talking about what they would have done to stop that offense, Tom was possibly the best coach around and if Appy had the kids to run the 3-4 and the dime and the 10 other schemes named, he would have gone to it.The T gets you to the line quicker and you don't have to hold a block as long, it's balanced -you don't have a weak and strong side. Going away from getting across the LOS and hitting someone is what has disappointed me the most in PV and Appy the last couple of years.
Then you didn't watch Travis much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
Was that there "Dog Bone" Look I was thinking that was more a wishbone look with one of the half backs really being a extra lineman right behind the guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by simple man
They did run quite a bit of a "modified" T
We always called that the Goober set when we ran it. Basically pulled the FB up between the G and T I believe off the line and had kind of a veer lookign backfield then.
we ran it when i was there with the myers twins!!
EXCATLY! it wasnt that jumbo set T formation. They rran wishbone with the Myers Twins and some Power I with them and a young Travis Clark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
94 Appy was without the full services of the starting fullback from middle of the season till the last half of the PV game. Hyper extended knee slowed him down.
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Originally Posted by simple man
Your talkin about an Appy fullback how much slower could he get??? ;)
Was that Dub Varner?Quote:
Originally Posted by simple man
I dont believe Travis saw much playing time as a freshman. I am thinking that backfield contained Larry Huff instead as Turner took over as QB his freshman year with Huff moving to HB his SR year from QB. They also had Sam Sellars I think at time.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn