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    Lol...now that is something we can both agree on....I used to have to travel that road daily...I called it the "Highway to Hell"..lol
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    Re: RNC

    Here's some more fodder for that great bright outlook coming off the last 8 years!!!

    <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Jobless rate soars to 6.1%</span>
    <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Unemployment surges to 5-year high as employers cut workers for eighth straight month. Total job losses for 2008: 605,000. </span>

    By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
    Last Updated: September 5, 2008: 11:03 AM EDT

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The unemployment rate soared to a nearly five-year high in August as employers trimmed jobs for the eighth straight month, the government reported Friday.

    The unemployment rate rose to 6.1%, the highest level since September 2003. That's up from 5.7% in July and 4.7% a year ago.

    In addition, the economy suffered a net loss of 84,000 jobs in August, according to the U.S. Department of Labor, compared to a revised reading of a 60,000 job loss in July.

    The U.S. economy has lost 605,000 jobs so far this year.

    The jobs report immediately drew comment from the presidential candidates as well as the Bush administration.

    The White House pointed to other economic readings, including last week's gross domestic product report. It showed second quarter growth jumping to a 3.3% annual rate, helped by economic stimulus checks and strong exports.

    "While these (jobs) numbers are disappointing, what is most important is the overall direction the economy is headed," said the White House statement.

    But the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said the report points out the failure of Republican policies.

    "John McCain showed last night that he is intent on continuing the economic policies that just this year have caused the American economy to lose 605,000 jobs," Obama said in a statement. "John McCain's answer is more of the same: $200 billion in tax cuts to big corporations and oil companies, and not one dime of tax relief to more than 100 million middle-class families."

    The McCain campaign argued that Obama's economic policies would cause more job losses in the future.

    "Sadly there are those who believe that to grow this economy we must raise taxes, impose costly new mandates and isolate America from the global economy," McCain said in a statement. "When our economy is hurting, the last thing we should do is raise taxes as Barack Obama plans to do and has done."
    Job losses widespread

    Both numbers in the August report surprised experts. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast the unemployment rate would remain unchanged from the July reading and that payrolls would fall by 75,000 jobs.

    Manufacturing lost 61,000 jobs, while construction employment fell by 8,000. But the job losses were widespread and went beyond those two troubled sectors.

    Retailers trimmed 20,000 jobs despite the back-to-school shopping season, which for many stores is typically second in sales only to the holiday period. Business and professional services - a broad category that includes industries such as accountants, consultants and legal services - lost 53,000 workers. Leisure and hospitality cut 4,000 jobs.

    The few sectors showing gains were government as well as education and health services, which gained 72,000 between them to temper the losses elsewhere.

    "Job losses are still mild by recession standards, but the losses are relentless and they are accumulating," said Bob Brusca of FAO Economics. "If job growth had paced with population growth during this year, it would have meant 1.3 million new jobs would have been created. Instead 605,000 were lost. That means about 2 million fewer people are working than if the economy were on a steady path. And that's a big number."

    But while economists generally study the payroll numbers most closely, it's the unemployment rate that registers with most Americans when they think about the labor market.
    Unemployment worries could feed job losses

    The jump is likely to be a new blow to consumer confidence, which had just started to show gains from earlier lows due to declining gasoline prices. Confidence could also be hurt by another report Friday from the Mortgage Bankers Association showing a record 1.2 million home foreclosures during the second quarter.

    And falling consumer confidence could put a brake on spending and in turn drag down the economy.

    "If consumer spending doesn't hang in there in the fourth quarter, we're of course going to have a higher unemployment rate and maybe more than the 50,000 to 75,000 monthly job losses we've been seeing," said Tig Gilliam, chief executive of Adecco Group North America, a unit of the world's largest employment firm.

    Mark Vitner, chief economist at Wachovia, said that the unemployment rate might have been lifted higher an extension of long-term unemployment benefits that took effect in July. Some discouraged job seekers who had been out of work more than 26 weeks may have looked for work again in the month in order to collect the benefits once again. But Vitner said even without that impact, unemployment probably would have jumped to about 5.9%.

    And recent filings for initial jobless benefits by the newly unemployed is now running at more than 400,000 a week, a level typically associated with a recession.

    "You don't have to be an economist to know the economy is weak right now," Vitner said. "Obviously there's some real pain out there."

    Gilliam and many economists had been expecting the unemployment rate would hit 6% late this year or early next year.

    "I'm not forecasting 7% unemployment, but we're weighing what 6% unemployment now means going forward," Gilliam said.
    Woes beyond unemployment rate

    The unemployment rate doesn't tell the whole picture about how difficult the job market has become. It only counts those who looked for work during the month; it excludes the unemployed who want jobs but have stopped looking for work. And it also doesn't count those who want full-time jobs but can only find part-time positions.

    The so-called underemployment rate, which includes those two other groups, rose to 10.7% - the highest reading since 1994.

    The pain was widespread in different sectors of the work force. Those with college degrees were better off than the population as a whole. But the number of educated workers without jobs jumped 15% in the month to 1.2 million, the third highest total since the Department of Labor started tracking that number in 1992.

    Despite the widespread weakness in the report, wages actually edged up faster than expected. The average hourly wage was up 7 cents in the month to $18.14. The previous month's rise was also revised slightly higher.

    Still, the average hourly wages have only increased 3.6% in the last 12 months, well below the 5.6% rise in prices shown in the July Consumer Price Index. That means the typical worker's wages are not keeping up with prices.

    The Federal Reserve's most recent economic forecasts had projected annual unemployment in the range of 5.5% to 5.7% this year, and between 5.3% and 5.8% next year. Even its worst case scenario put the upper end of the unemployment range at 5.8% this year and 6.1% next year.

    The consensus is that the Fed will leave its key overnight lending rate, it's primary tool for spurring economic growth, unchanged through the end of the year. Some policymakers at the central bank have been pushing for higher rates to fight inflation. Many observers expect that the Fed's next change will be higher. To top of page
    First Published: September 5, 2008: 8:40 AM EDT
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVVikeFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All this talk about the country being in such bad shape and being worse off than before. People seem to be so concerned. And rightfully so. So where is the logic in having an on the job training program for the totally inexperienced candidate the far left world wants to give the job to??? When a large company gets into trouble they look for an experienced person with a track record to take over and fix things. Are we not smart enough to do the same thing?? </div></div>
    Yes, but they ususlly wouldn't get him from the same "temp" group that gave them the last loser.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


    I'm not into fairness--I'm into what makes this country the global & personal economic model of the world again. </div></div>

    sm38

    Again?</div></div>

    One word--Immigration. People wouldn't be building rafts out of cars to get here from Cuba or trying to jump the fence along the Mexican border DAILY unless we had something better than a lot of places in the world. </div></div>

    True, yet you seem to think that reason needs to be renewed, hence your use of 'again'.

    All I know is that the last eight years have been the best of my life. </div></div>

    I'd have to agree. In my last 8 years, I've gone to and graduated college. Gotten married. Gotten a job. Had a kid. Gotten raises every year in my 5-6 years of work. bought a house. Sold it. bought a bigger house. Got another kid on the way. Wife has a job where she works 1/2 the time I do and makes the same as me.

    All while Bush has been President. Do I wish gas prices were lower? Absolutely. I'm I struggling to get by? Nope. Doin' just fine!

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    This area is always tied to the mines. You live off high oil prices, just what is killing the rest of the country.

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    Spuds , that's one of my favorite Stones songs . Back when they were youngsters and had alot of country music sound to many of their songs . Jagger even sings w/ a twang .
    Life is a grindstone . Whether it grinds us down or polishes us up , depends on what we are made of .

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    I like the Dead version also.

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    Re: RNC

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7teen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    All I know is someone attacked us on Sept 11, 2001, and as far as I am concerned, they could have found water pistols in Iraq. Somebody had to pay! </div></div>

    I agree someone should pay, but the problem is, its us!
    Let's get this straight, we know that it was Bin Laden's group, and he's still alive, but when do you hear squat about him anymore? We reduced the numbers there with the purpose of catching and/or killing him, to go fight another war. So how is he paying? The number killed in the attack on 9-11 was horrible, if I'm not mistaken, it was close to 3000 people. We've had 4000 killed in Iraq and I don't see us getting ready to get out of there.

    Does anybody remember what the Iraqi citizens were saying about the great USA coming to free them from their tyranny of Saddam? I'm not even talking about the ones who were in country, I'm talking former leaders who had escaped, etc. The biggest concern was that the US would try to set up permanent bases and the like there. Of course, when the US was trying to get positive world feedback, we said nope, we have no intentions of this, we just wanna get the SOBs that attacked us. And here it is, years later, we're still there. I know that its an unstable region, we leave, its very possible that its going to turn right back into another craphole. The problem is, we're there, been there, and its still that. It's not liks us being there has helped secure our oil prices, they have been record breaking, if anything us being there has driven them to new costs (wonder if big oil is happy about that?).

    Simple logic, that area is always going to be unstable. The majority of the region hates us and always will, unless we can help them but we have taken their fears (that the US would come to help and not leave) and did exactly that. The positives we could have had, we have given up by doing exactly what they feared we would do and exactly what we said we wouldn't do.

    I'm not praising Obama, not downing McCain, I actually don't think much of either of them. I do like McCain in some ways, but other ways he scares the crap out of me *lol* I like some of Obama too, but there is enough about him that scares the crap out of me.

    We're pretty much screwed no matter who or what, but seriously if we want to do something about 911, send some more troops out of Iraq into Afghanistan and find Bin Laden. I don't for one minute believe if we really want to find him, we can't. We, the US, still want him out there, because while he's alive, they can justify almost anything, and a good portion will think its an absolutely necessity.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.

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    "We're pretty much screwed no matter who or what, but seriously if we want to do something about 911, send some more troops out of Iraq into Afghanistan and find Bin Laden. I don't for one minute believe if we really want to find him, we can't. We, the US, still want him out there, because while he's alive, they can justify almost anything, and a good portion will think its an absolutely necessity."

    My feelings exactly.
    "Yes, there are two paths you can go by
    But in the long run
    There's still time to change the road you're on."

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    Ditto, but if were gonna send troops after Bin Laden, you mentioned the wrong country Im afraid. We need to drop them into Pakistan to find him I believe.
    "Call me crazy, but I want to buy the Dallas Cowboys end zone and have the star right at the foot of my bed. That way when I score, I can spike the ball right on the star!" -Woody Paige, Around the Horn 10.9.08

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