Very interesting DSOP, what a good find. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
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Very interesting DSOP, what a good find. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
It sure sounds like Vinnie is referring to the "language" of Jazz in that interview.
Wow, Vinnie really hit the nail on the head.
"The way I am as a person may have a lot to do with how I play the drums. I don't know, that's a whole other kind of issue that I've often wondered about - whether you could separate your musical being from just the way you are. It's just who you are I think."
I love that quote...You play who you are!
Or at least you SHOULD. I bothers me when I see people NOT playing who they are. I mean sometimes money talks but even then it seems quite evil.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See . . . Vinnie admits he can't play bop . . . GERONIMOOOOO!!! (runs for cover . . . LOL).Quote:
Originally posted by drumming sort of person:
". . . There is a whole way of thinking among bebop players that you have to play just this way and that all the rhythmic figures go this way too. That's not my dictum, that's not what I'm about, so I just play - I let it rip. I played loud when I wanted to, I played soft when I wanted to, I played real inside when I wanted to and real outside when I wanted to."
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 10, 2005 07:03 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>
great great GREAT quote!
"The way I am as a person may have a lot to do with how I play the drums. I don't know, that's a whole other kind of issue that I've often wondered about - whether you could separate your musical being from just the way you are. It's just who you are I think."
The essence.
Looks like Vinnie himself closed the topic with this thought.
Henry II.....
I don't think you still understand mine and others points here on this thread yet.
Reading his own words on that particular interview.........
He's kinda making fun of the traditionalist jazz be-bop players when he says,
"There is a whole way of thinking among bebop players that you have to play just this way and that all the rhythmic figures go this way too"
He's moved beyond that I think. If you really think that with his talent, and the outrageous stuff he pulls off, that if he WANTED TO, he couldn't play the "LANGUAGE"!!?? You've got to be kidding me right??
I think, just like he states, it's because he choses not to. And I for one think the rules behind the "LANGUAGE" is lame. I love listening to his "interpretations" of traditional jazz and bop along with many other players. To me, these are the new inovators of the Jazz style. They'll play it out of the box and add more "comping" and "interpretation" on the fly, which sounds much more "interesting" to me. But of course, that's my own opinion.
Now... as I've stated before, music is not a competition. But I'd like to see these other "Jazz" drummers pull off a solo like Vinnie does on the Buddy Rich Memorial Video?? I'd dare to say they'd have a tough time replicating that kind of insanity. Or take your pick out of the hundreds of recordings that Vinnie has laid down not only on tape, but in the DRUMMING history books and compare and contrast that to any "jazz time" or "LANGUAGE". I think Vinnie is drumming history in itself. But that's Vinnies "thang". He a pretty insane guy....... incredibly logical, but takes things to an abstract level that most can't.
HA!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
One last thought from me [sorry!], re: the VC thang;
While I agree with what was said by those in question, & yet ALSO live by Gary H / VC's credo, I liken it to this analogy...
Bruce Lee was a consumate athlete within the Martial Arts sense. He was, at the time, shall we say, one of if not THE "Vinnies / Weckls / Virgils / Novaks [etc]" of those arts.
He studied & took form, kata, & the countless fighting techniques from many different MA styles, expounded upon it, stretched it, adapted, & blended it into his own unique "language" of skill [Jeet Kune Do], which was a combination of many diff MA styles, elements such as from Wing Chun Gung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Hap Ki Do, Shotokan, etc.
As the "new whipper-snapper on the block," many MA teachers & purists ATT saw him as an affront to all they held dear & righteous, sometimes challenging him to a duel [first mistake, & an insult to their own mastery of their art], & on record, I believe he "beat" practically every single one of them at their own art against his own. He could back up his mouth with serious in-the-moment application, or "language" [img]wink.gif[/img] , if you will.
Because he adapted his style to an in-the-moment, modern style, taking all that he found training-worthy & applicable in a live application from many noteworthy styles in the MAs, he developed his own form of spontaneous, impromptu, improvisational technique that he could defend [or offend!] with.
He believed that in order to be the most effective & ready in these arts, one must first learn the rules & foundation, & then, not necessarily BREAK them, but intensely ADAPT & expound upon them in the moment, because every fighting situation is different, & 1 or more "applications" may not be suitable in another scenario, as things are different & can change quite quickly. Not only was his physical body in tune w the incredible motor reflexes necessary, his mind was quite adept at the same adaptation AW.
He sought not to discredit the founding traditions, but rather point out that with time comes change, & in order to "complete your task" & come out on top in "today's" world, one must look beyond the trads as well, take what WAS & advance them to keep up with the times, but, yet not forgetting nor dishonoring the roots of the formative stages altogether either...& to do so with an open mind...
So, you see, by studying, understanding, & honoring the traditonal "father" forms, & then expounding upon & adapting them & "owning" them in his own way...
...in the MA world, Bruce Lee WAS "JAZZ." [img]cool.gif[/img]
...[or at least, "heavy contempo modern jazz-FUSION"]... [img]wink.gif[/img] ...for the time, he could "swing" some decent nunchaku, too...
[BTW - Gary H - I'm digging on some of YOUR latest "jiu-jitsu"...] /;cp
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 12, 2005 12:14 AM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]</font>
I think that Bruce Lee analogy is spot on. I see you are also a Bruce Lee fan, or atleast know something about him, because everything you mentioned about him is in fact true.
Fuse is god [img]cool.gif[/img]